rounz Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I think what the fans think is a little more important than it would normally be because Blank is looking at that stadium going up and knows he needs to fill it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFalconPokerPro Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Dude is garbage. His offense is one-dimensional throw to #1 WR or dump it off every time. Just like Schraeder said, "They figured us out".We won't be anything to write home about till he is gone. Dude has taken a Ferrari offense and turned it into a Yugo And the future with the way he's killing Matt's career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outmyfalconmind Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 (edited) Some of the blame on him, but when you are missing wide open throws and turning the ball over, some of it is on the players.This it true, but I think a lot of matts/ teams problem come from hating the scheme he's/they're forced to run, but having the character to keep his/their mouth shut... I also think a lot of the reasons he looks panicked in the pocket isn't just because the oline, but because he's uncomfortable with the scheme... You can't tell me that Julio is "ok" with some of the routes he runs as often as he does... You can't tell me he doesn't know he's the most effective receiver in the league with the deep ball, and knows the effect the deep ball has on opening the field... I just can't sit here and believe that the faults are on regressing talent... Matt has proven over and over that he's very effective under pressure, which is why I believe he's so uncomfortable is because he isn't standing behind the offense he's told to run... Just my opinion obviouslyNot that any of this excuses the amount of turnover tho Edited November 23, 2015 by Outmyfalconmind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Why is Hank starting over hardy, who can actually catch the ball. Cause it's shannys guy from Washington, that's why. Stupid.It's Shanny's way or the highway.Not a fan of that ******** at all.Koetter absorbed a lot of Mularkey's stuff and blended it with his own. I really wish we had Koetter back, I really do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 It's Shanny's way or the highway.Not a fan of that ******** at all.Koetter absorbed a lot of Mularkey's stuff and blended it with his own. I really wish we had Koetter back, I really do. Its sad.... i never thought id see the day. But i agree. Koetter i still don't like but i hate shany worse. Only person worse is knap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I love how yall say yall hate the scheme, or Matt hates the scheme, or we're forcing Matt into this scheme, or Shanahan has ruined this offense. You realize the turnovers aren't a part of the scheme, the scheme Shanahan has brought with him and gotten this offense to #3 in total yards... Yall just saw some other posters you like say they didn't like Kyle and followed suit. Just ignore all of the turnovers. Those never happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSmackDaddy Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Trade Matt in the offseason, and see what you can get. You don't half @ss rebuild. When we hit the reset button, Matt should have been part of it. Real Talk!!!Yeah let's trade the one guy that up until this year has been pretty **** good for us... Let's keep the 1 year OC that has turned a good offense into an anemic piece of ****. That makes a lot of sense... Wtf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Yeah let's trade the one guy that up until this year has been pretty **** good for us... Let's keep the 1 year OC that has turned a good offense into an anemic piece of ****. That makes a lot of sense... WtfHow is #3 in total yards anemic? Only two offenses have put up more yards. No offense has more redzone turnovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 More yards, but less TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 More yards, but less TDs.6 red zone turnovers. 0 points. If it was anemic, we wouldn't be moving the ball period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I love how yall say yall hate the scheme, or Matt hates the scheme, or we're forcing Matt into this scheme, or Shanahan has ruined this offense. You realize the turnovers aren't a part of the scheme, the scheme Shanahan has brought with him and gotten this offense to #3 in total yards... Yall just saw some other posters you like say they didn't like Kyle and followed suit. Just ignore all of the turnovers. Those never happened. Turnovers and penalties are a lack of discipline. Thats a coaching issue. Mike Smith lived and died by those 2 things. Games are won on 5 plays or less. Win the turnover battle and make no penalties and your chances go up greatly you win. No matter how you play or scheme your in.Now as far as stats between the 20s. Irreverent. Maybe stat junkies or FF fans will love that. But all that matters is what happens in the red zone. If we cant score there is a issue evern if Ryan and the O are the #1 ranked O in the NFL.Just my 2 cents. Group 2 represent before the groups get started again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outmyfalconmind Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I love how yall say yall hate the scheme, or Matt hates the scheme, or we're forcing Matt into this scheme, or Shanahan has ruined this offense. You realize the turnovers aren't a part of the scheme, the scheme Shanahan has brought with him and gotten this offense to #3 in total yards... Yall just saw some other posters you like say they didn't like Kyle and followed suit. Just ignore all of the turnovers. Those never happened. Mental instability and not trusting a scheme may very well be a problem with why Matt Ryan is making horrible decisions... Perhaps this scheme causes him too either think too much or just overthink everything... and #3 in yards isn't speaking the entire story behind this offense... You're talking about a receiver that's catching 9-10 (not even to mention the amount of targets per game) balls a game and an offense that is being revolved around freeman and Julio... Btw the #3 in yards doesn't mean anything to our #3 loss in a row.... The fact remains that this offense is not playing to its potential being that it depends solely on 2 players... And again I refuse to believe that the issue is regressing talent... It's gotta be deeper then that... And Matt in my opinion has never looked this bad... Where I'm not on the band wagon that he's elite, he's dang sure better then wat he's doing this season and because of that statistic alone, I will point my finger at the coach who has the reigns of the offense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 6 red zone turnovers. 0 points. If it was anemic, we wouldn't be moving the ball period. Thats a suck arse stat. Incredibly depressing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 We're scoring anemic. And not all our scoring problems is redzone related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 I love how yall say yall hate the scheme, or Matt hates the scheme, or we're forcing Matt into this scheme, or Shanahan has ruined this offense. You realize the turnovers aren't a part of the scheme, the scheme Shanahan has brought with him and gotten this offense to #3 in total yards... Yall just saw some other posters you like say they didn't like Kyle and followed suit. Just ignore all of the turnovers. Those never happened. You do realize that Manning's worst year as a QB has come running the same WCO that Matt currently is, right?You also realize that MR and Manning are very similar style-wise?You think its complete coincidence that these INTs are piling up in this new scheme? Look at Manning's troubles with it. I would say at least half of Matt's INTs are coming from him being in this system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 You do realize that Manning's worst year as a QB has come running the same WCO that Matt currently is, right?You also realize that MR and Manning are very similar style-wise?You think its complete coincidence that these INTs are piling up in this new scheme? Look at Manning's troubles with it. I would say at least half of Matt's INTs are coming from him being in this system.I agree. Kubiak and Kyle. The two "Killa K's". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 I agree. Kubiak and Kyle. The two "Killa K's".Yup. The WCO system works well for mediocre QBs who need someone to hold their hand (See: RG3, Schaub, etc..), and QBs who are used to / have played in the system for a while. For field-general, change at the LOS type QBs, this WCO is a nightmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Turnovers and penalties are a lack of discipline. Thats a coaching issue. Mike Smith lived and died by those 2 things. Games are won on 5 plays or less. Win the turnover battle and make no penalties and your chances go up greatly you win. No matter how you play or scheme your in.Now as far as stats between the 20s. Irreverent. Maybe stat junkies or FF fans will love that. But all that matters is what happens in the red zone. If we cant score there is a issue evern if Ryan and the O are the #1 ranked O in the NFL.Just my 2 cents. Group 2 represent before the groups get started again.I fully agree. You'll never see me disagree with these sentiments. I will disagree with where the anger and frustration of those sentiments are directed. Turnovers and penalties are not the job of the coordinators. That's the HC. Notice how you went straight to Mike Smith. Quinn's message on turnovers clearly isn't getting through. The only reason I bring up the total yards stat for the offense is to show we aren't having any issue moving the ball. That means we have a sound gameplan, the correct plays, and the ability to perform. It's the scoring that is down, which is directly the result of turnovers. We lost the last three games by a combined 7 points, had 8 turnovers and no less than 375 yards in two of three. We're scoring anemic. And not all our scoring problems is redzone related.What are they then? Playcalling? Because we scored a TD in the redzone 62% of the time before Sunday, which is top ten. That included the previous turnovers. At one point it was about 75% earlier in the year. That's a touchdown 3/4 of the time we got to the redzone. So please, other than turnovers, what's the issue. Because we were 75% on Sunday, with the one time it wasn't was a......turnover! Surprise!You do realize that Manning's worst year as a QB has come running the same WCO that Matt currently is, right?You also realize that MR and Manning are very similar style-wise?You think its complete coincidence that these INTs are piling up in this new scheme? Look at Manning's troubles with it. I would say at least half of Matt's INTs are coming from him being in this system. And then what happened to Eli? He got used to the scheme and stopped throwing those idiot INTs. Same with Big Ben. It's called growing pains in the scheme. It's not the scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 I fully agree. You'll never see me disagree with these sentiments. I will disagree with where the anger and frustration of those sentiments are directed. Turnovers and penalties are not the job of the coordinators. That's the HC. Notice how you went straight to Mike Smith. Quinn's message on turnovers clearly isn't getting through. The only reason I bring up the total yards stat for the offense is to show we aren't having any issue moving the ball. That means we have a sound gameplan, the correct plays, and the ability to perform. It's the scoring that is down, which is directly the result of turnovers. We lost the last three games by a combined 7 points, had 8 turnovers and no less than 375 yards in two of three. What are they then? Playcalling? Because we scored a TD in the redzone 62% of the time before Sunday, which is top ten. That included the previous turnovers. At one point it was about 75% earlier in the year. That's a touchdown 3/4 of the time we got to the redzone. So please, other than turnovers, what's the issue. Because we were 75% on Sunday, with the one time it wasn't was a......turnover! Surprise!And then what happened to Eli? He got used to the scheme and stopped throwing those idiot INTs. Same with Big Ben. It's called growing pains in the scheme. It's not the scheme. I wasn't aware that Eli and Ben were running in the WCO... are they? And if they are, I would also note that neither QB is similar to MR stylistically. MR is IMO a Manning/Rivers/Romo type QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well you guys are leaving out Schaub and Johnson in Houston that went pretty well but since that and the RG3 year its been up and down no he has not had a good qb. I dont know if Matts hurt or if its this scheme - but he just is nowhere near the same player he was before. That **** u cant argue with - I just hope we figure out why and do something about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 Well you guys are leaving out Schaub and Johnson in Houston that went pretty well but since that and the RG3 year its been up and down no he has not had a good qb. I dont know if Matts hurt or if its this scheme - but he just is nowhere near the same player he was before. That **** u cant argue with - I just hope we figure out why and do something about it. the WCO demands a mobile QB who can make quick decisions on the move, or a mediocre QB who needs his hand held by the progressions...this system is NOT made for a intellectual QB who makes changes at the LOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 the WCO demands a mobile QB who can make quick decisions on the move, or a mediocre QB who needs his hand held by the progressions...this system is NOT made for a intellectual QB who makes changes at the LOS This is based on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trouble Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I fully agree. You'll never see me disagree with these sentiments. I will disagree with where the anger and frustration of those sentiments are directed. Turnovers and penalties are not the job of the coordinators. That's the HC. Notice how you went straight to Mike Smith. Quinn's message on turnovers clearly isn't getting through. Exactly. Its clear The HC is working with the D mainly. We saw the improvement. So who was working with the O the entire time? The logical thought would be the OC. I doubt The HC spent equal time with both groups. The D came out hot and the O came out like normal. dropped passes.But clearly the penalties is being addressed. Just not as fast as Smith and company would have. But its being cleaned up. The turnovers is being addressed. But once again this is stuff that should have been dealt with back in the offseason or start of the season. Teams are getting their grove and we are going backwards.Mike Smith live on these principles. Fast start, win the turn over battle and no penalties. That was like his entire gameplan. Just the basics of basic football. Something has disrupted the chemistry. Yes the change at center has been a issue. But White is probably shocked to see a pass come his way, his confidence is probably at a all time low.Its like we tried to fix things that where not broken and broke them in the process. White went from getting a new deal, to being useless. We let HD walk for no reason except to get hank who cant hold onto a pass. Jones will be killed by the end of the season the way we are abusing him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 I wasn't aware that Eli and Ben were running in the WCO... are they? And if they are, I would also note that neither QB is similar to MR stylistically. MR is IMO a Manning/Rivers/Romo type QB.Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Exactly. Its clear The HC is working with the D mainly. We saw the improvement. So who was working with the O the entire time? The logical thought would be the OC. I doubt The HC spent equal time with both groups. The D came out hot and the O came out like normal. dropped passes.But clearly the penalties is being addressed. Just not as fast as Smith and company would have. But its being cleaned up. The turnovers is being addressed. But once again this is stuff that should have been dealt with back in the offseason or start of the season. Teams are getting their grove and we are going backwards.Mike Smith live on these principles. Fast start, win the turn over battle and no penalties. That was like his entire gameplan. Just the basics of basic football. Something has disrupted the chemistry. Yes the change at center has been a issue. But White is probably shocked to see a pass come his way, his confidence is probably at a all time low.Its like we tried to fix things that where not broken and broke them in the process. White went from getting a new deal, to being useless. We let HD walk for no reason except to get hank who cant hold onto a pass. Jones will be killed by the end of the season the way we are abusing him.Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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