hjerry Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 9m9 minutes agoGeorgia, USAMatt Ryan went to bed at halftime last night so he missed the end of the Texans-Bengals game. He sent a text to T.J. Yates this morning.vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 7m7 minutes agoGeorgia, USARyan on @680thefrontrow says he's got to be as accurate as he can possibly be after self scout. That's his point of emphasis moving forward.vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 6m6 minutes agoGeorgia, USA``It's different. ... I think there's a learning curve for everyone,'' Ryan tells @680thefrontrow about the offense.vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 5m5 minutes agoGeorgia, USARyan on the no-huddle, ``We'll see. We work on it, probably not as much as we did in the past. ... It's something we'll be prepared for.''vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 2m2 minutes agoGeorgia, USAMatt Ryan said Colts QB Matt Hasselbeck is classically trained, coming from Boston College. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Well, at least he understands what he needs to do. The question is: how to accomplish the goal? Matt's footwork needs work. He knows it, now let's hope that he improves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 vaughn mcclure @vxmcclure23 6m6 minutes agoGeorgia, USA``It's different. ... I think there's a learning curve for everyone,'' Ryan tells @680thefrontrow about the offense. Pretty much... this is easy to get lost in all the doom and gloom. And the learning curve isn't just for the players, coaches also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullitt Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Doesn't exactly sound like the coaches are falling all over themselves to use more no-huddle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theDIRTYcode Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 We must have ran off the curve at some point. In the beginning we looked like juggernauts on offense, now I'm not certain we could score 14 on Alabama. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I agree on the learning curve part. But that's no excuse for Matt's poor throws and inaccuracy. At least he mentioned that. Matt hasn't given us much reason to not believe he can't figure it out. 7 seasons will trump and 4 game slump in my book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBird8711 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Well, at least he understands what he needs to do. The question is: how to accomplish the goal?Matt's footwork needs work. He knows it, now let's hope that he improves.This is a entirely new offense......I posted a video and links about the WCO about a week or two ago.....and it seemed to me people overlooked it and continued on with the doom and gloom.....Eli Manning went thru the same ordeal the year before.....with Ben Mcadoo.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Yeah, we work on the nuddle some... yikes. Lets be sure not to utilize the nuddle since it works so dam well. Ryan might just not be divulging their plans to use it more...who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leggggggo Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I agree on the learning curve part. But that's no excuse for Matt's poor throws and inaccuracy. At least he mentioned that. Matt hasn't given us much reason to not believe he can't figure it out. 7 seasons will trump and 4 game slump in my book. It makes sense to me honestly. If he's playing while having to forcibly think thru his progressions, which are all new, and not playing from instinct, the fluidity of his mechanics and muscle memory will not be there as it was in the past. I mean, he basically spent 8 years in the same offense, this is completely new after all of those habits and instincts were formed. Just my thoughts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Doesn't exactly sound like the coaches are falling all over themselves to use more no-huddle.That's the sense that I get too. If that is the case, then I wonder why? Maybe there is a loss of control for the OC or the game plan, maybe they think the offense gets to gassed, maybe they only see it as an option when time is running out and you need to score quickly? I don't know, but I see it as something you could run at the start of a game for several plays, then go to the standard huddle up, or just keep some up tempo movement going on. Ryan has a ear piece in his helmet, so it seems that they could at least communicate to a degree of how the no-huddle should be working while in action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 I agree on the learning curve part. But that's no excuse for Matt's poor throws and inaccuracy. At least he mentioned that. Matt hasn't given us much reason to not believe he can't figure it out. 7 seasons will trump and 4 game slump in my book. There's a funny quirk about today's WCO offenses. A lot of the concepts are packaged and tagged, meaning receivers have to read coverages the same way QB's do and adjust routes accordingly. Both receiver and QB have to be on the same page and with the timing of the offense the QB has to let the ball go early and the trust the receiver is going to be where he needs to be. This can explain at least some of the inaccuracy. If a guy bends a route at 10 when the QB is expecting it at 12 and the ball goes flying over the receiver's head then the QB looks like an idiot.The other part is your fundamentals can break down when you think too much, and I can see that happening with a new offense that has packaged plays that are new to a 7 year vet. One side of the field may have a vertical concept, the other may have a flood or slant concept, and the QB has to pick out which side of the field to read. That also explains why people complain that Matt is only reading one side of the field, because that's actually part of the offense, but it also causes hesitation when the defense does something different and your pre-snap read is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyBird8711 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) I agree on the learning curve part. But that's no excuse for Matt's poor throws and inaccuracy. At least he mentioned that. Matt hasn't given us much reason to not believe he can't figure it out. 7 seasons will trump and 4 game slump in my book. This is a different offense we're running here.....Different Philosophy and TerminologyMatt has to get back on working on his footwork and the WCO is all about timing meaning everybody on the entire offense has to be on point..... Edited November 17, 2015 by DirtyBird8711 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Matt Ryan when asked about Peyton Manning on the decline during his weekly radio show: "It's always tough. I think he is, if not the best of all time, in the circle of two or three. Certainly when you're not playing your best, it's never fun. But this league, there's a lot of good players out there. You can be humbled every week, and every time you go out onto that field, you've got to be prepared to do your very best. I hope he gets healthy because there's nobody more fun to watch when he's playing great than Peyton." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ryan had new systems and learning curves in 2008 and 2012. No problem. In fact he had his best season as a pro in 2012. What's up in 2015? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Why does everyone just gloss over the fact that Matt Ryan went to bed last night!?!?Thats ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Why does everyone just gloss over the fact that Matt Ryan went to bed last night!?!?Thats ridiculous.how can a man possibly go to bed and get some rest? Dam Ryan! Dam!! WTF is wrong with you son? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeytonMannings Forehead Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Ryan had new systems and learning curves in 2008 and 2012. No problem. In fact he had his best season as a pro in 2012. What's up in 2015?2008 was as straightforward a scheme as possible. Quick, easy reads, play-action, vertical stuff with a strong running game that took a lot of concepts from what he did from Boston College. Mularkey protected him by keeping it simple and putting the load on Turner. 2012 was not a new system at all. Koetter basically retrofitted some of the stuff he liked to the scheme that Mularkey left in place.2015 EVERYTHING is different from terminology to the drops, checks, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*NiteFalcon* Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 there evidently wasn't much of a learning curve for opponents to figure us out. I guess that's what happens when you rely on ancient offensive philosophies without getting creative with blocking schemes and timings. niners had us perfectly read in our blocking schemes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 2008 was as straightforward a scheme as possible. Quick, easy reads, play-action, vertical stuff with a strong running game that took a lot of concepts from what he did from Boston College. Mularkey protected him by keeping it simple and putting the load on Turner. 2012 was not a new system at all. Koetter basically retrofitted some of the stuff he liked to the scheme that Mularkey left in place.2015 EVERYTHING is different from terminology to the drops, checks, etc.lmao. Mularkey's offense had some complexity. Kutty changed to four verts with a bunch of screens. Now we're running a WCO. Didn't Ryan run that in college? Will yall stop with the new system bush it and start talking about the slow huddle, bad footwork, bad throws, locking onto Julio, forcing throws, playing scared and that stretch play action crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 how can a man possibly go to bed and get some rest? Dam Ryan! Dam!! WTF is wrong with you son? Seriously.Did Shanahan orchestrate how Ryan brushes his teeth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 2008 was as straightforward a scheme as possible. Quick, easy reads, play-action, vertical stuff with a strong running game that took a lot of concepts from what he did from Boston College. Mularkey protected him by keeping it simple and putting the load on Turner. 2012 was not a new system at all. Koetter basically retrofitted some of the stuff he liked to the scheme that Mularkey left in place.2015 EVERYTHING is different from terminology to the drops, checks, etc.Man, I miss your posting. You're one of the few on here with legitimate football talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted November 17, 2015 Author Share Posted November 17, 2015 Seriously.Did Shanahan orchestrate how Ryan brushes his teeth?Actually he picked it up from Brady. There was an article not too long back about how QBs have been going to bed earlier to get more rest. Ryan said he started when he saw that Brady basically never stays up late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 lmao. Mularkey's offense had some complexity. Kutty changed to four verts with a bunch of screens. Now we're running a WCO. Didn't Ryan run that in college? Will yall stop with the new system bush it and start talking about the slow huddle, bad footwork, bad throws, locking onto Julio, forcing throws, playing scared and that stretch play action crap?Yes, he ran a WCO in college. 9 years ago. And he was almost certainly running a more simplified version of it, since the big knock on the WCO in college is it takes too long to learn it and by the time the QB does get it, he's ready to graduate.Every single thing you mention is a symptom of being uncomfortable in a new offense. Every one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 lmao. Mularkey's offense had some complexity. Kutty changed to four verts with a bunch of screens. Now we're running a WCO. Didn't Ryan run that in college? Will yall stop with the new system bush it and start talking about the slow huddle, bad footwork, bad throws, locking onto Julio, forcing throws, playing scared and that stretch play action crap?You won't get an argument from Matt bro. And there are only a few folks on here that are absolving Ryan of everything.It's clear the dude is having problems. Add in all the drops, bad throws, fumbles, bad snaps and it sure ain't helping him get into any sort of rythum whatsoever either.This is not the norm for Ryan based upon his past as you mentioned. So it has really been frustrating for all of us trying to determine just where to apply the blame. Ryan deserves his share of blame or more since he is the leader on O. He needs to begin asserting his authority and call guys out when they drop or fumble. But his game needs to clean up bigtime!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 It makes sense to me honestly. If he's playing while having to forcibly think thru his progressions, which are all new, and not playing from instinct, the fluidity of his mechanics and muscle memory will not be there as it was in the past. I mean, he basically spent 8 years in the same offense, this is completely new after all of those habits and instincts were formed. Just my thoughts.There's a funny quirk about today's WCO offenses. A lot of the concepts are packaged and tagged, meaning receivers have to read coverages the same way QB's do and adjust routes accordingly. Both receiver and QB have to be on the same page and with the timing of the offense the QB has to let the ball go early and the trust the receiver is going to be where he needs to be. This can explain at least some of the inaccuracy. If a guy bends a route at 10 when the QB is expecting it at 12 and the ball goes flying over the receiver's head then the QB looks like an idiot.The other part is your fundamentals can break down when you think too much, and I can see that happening with a new offense that has packaged plays that are new to a 7 year vet. One side of the field may have a vertical concept, the other may have a flood or slant concept, and the QB has to pick out which side of the field to read. That also explains why people complain that Matt is only reading one side of the field, because that's actually part of the offense, but it also causes hesitation when the defense does something different and your pre-snap read is wrong.This is a different offense we're running here.....Different Philosophy and TerminologyMatt has to get back on working on his footwork and the WCO is all about timing meaning everybody on the entire offense has to be on point..... I get what yall are saying. Over processing information can make you a hair late on throws or a hitch can throw you timing/rhythm off with the WRs routes. But I've watched the Niners game about 5 times now to see if I could try and see if it's his feet, an injury, a hitch, something. Some throws he just downright misses and there is no excuse. Go to the third quarter. He misses two easy outs to Julio and Nick. Open throws. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaYul4zMP2A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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