j105 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Think back to the first few games especially in terms of run blocking. Freeman had no chance against the 9ers, there were guys in his face before he even got the hand off in some cases. I mean you don't go from being the rushing/td leader to 12 yards by accident. Ever since the Titans game this line has been a struggle bus. Think its a coincidence Ryan is struggling? The dude has to get the ball out in 2 seconds or be flattened. He is probably wondering if his center is gonna try to hike it to space at some point. How many bad snaps have we seen the last few games?I'm not sure if its the playcalling/scheme/players and am not saying that all of the teams problems fall on the offensive line......but the fact is this ragtag group performed fine the first couple games of the season. Now they are falling apart. If we don't get better up front it wont matter who the qb/oc/rb is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThePiszOuttaTheBall Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I agree. There are a lot of factors ... new offense, maybe Shanny being too controlling, bad snaps, Hank out and no legit # 2 receiver, etc. But 85% or more of it is bad O line play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Oh you're exactly right. This line sucksMatthews is the only bright spot as of now. All other positions across the line should be scrutinized/upgraded as necessary in the offseasonSeems like this has been a continual theme, year after year. Line plays well for a few games, then shows their true colors. Enough of this "they need to gel bs", we've been regurgitating that line for years. Time to get some talent, and let that talent gel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Mangini called a brilliant game. evidently he knew something about Shanahan because he had the offense's number. all he did was rush the gaps and pay a shell zone over Julio. by rushing the gaps if there was a stretch play there was nowhere to go and if it was play action they already had Matt pinned. we could have killed them if we kept running up the middle or had one of our other WRs or Tamme go deeper than 20 yards. maybe a screen pass or two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrapAHolic Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Teams figured out a few weeks ago that the interior is so weak all you have to do is get push there. Think it was the redskins. Also coincided with all the fumbles and bad snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) I honestly thought that the OL was getting itself straightened out. I was wrong. Shanny gets a lot of flak for his play-calling, but, like Koetter before him, proper play-calling is severely impacted by the lack of quality of the OL. The most glaring weakness is clearly at OC, but we may still have severe problems at OG. Edited November 10, 2015 by etherdome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Oh you're exactly right. This line sucksMatthews is the only bright spot as of now. All other positions across the line should be scrutinized/upgraded as necessary in the offseasonSeems like this has been a continual theme, year after year. Line plays well for a few games, then shows their true colors. Enough of this "they need to gel bs", we've been regurgitating that line for years. Time to get some talent, and let that talent gelLevitre has been pretty good except against Tennessee and San Francisco.Person's run blocking has been as good as his snapping and pass protection have been bad.Chester and Schraeder have been mostly adequate in run blocking, an ongoing tragedy in pass protection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Person is a better guard than center...Crap, Stevie Wonder would be a better center than Person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Person is a better guard than center...Crap, Stevie Wonder would be a better center than Person.Does anyone have Jeff Van Note's number? I wonder if he's busy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trudweathers Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 We started the season with refurbs and a center who never played center...running to the waiver wire only a couple of days before game 1... we bring in cripples who may never see the field to shore up the line...our backup center is ambidextrous but can't snap with either hand.we win a few games at the start of a rebuilding year and start superbowl conversations... and now we are surprised that the offense is terrible...and the defense not much better...and the honeymoon is over...because Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Person is a better guard than center...Crap, Stevie Wonder would be a better center than Person.That dolphin from "Dolphin Tale" with the nubby tail fin would be a better center than Person OR Stone at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 That dolphin from "Dolphin Tale" with the nubby tail fin would be a better center than Person OR Stone at this point.Yeah, I pretty much just leave Stone even out of the conversation about playing center now because...just...no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 That dolphin from "Dolphin Tale" with the nubby tail fin would be a better center than Person OR Stone at this point.I'm thinking that Person might make a better professional bowler than center with the way he keeps rolling the ball back to Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Mangini called a brilliant game. evidently he knew something about Shanahan because he had the offense's number. all he did was rush the gaps and pay a shell zone over Julio. by rushing the gaps if there was a stretch play there was nowhere to go and if it was play action they already had Matt pinned. we could have killed them if we kept running up the middle or had one of our other WRs or Tamme go deeper than 20 yards. maybe a screen pass or twoVery insightful. I agree 100 percent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Our team won on emotion the first few games. I don't see a lack of effort, just a lack of talent. Our O line has been playing hard, I give them that. But the things that make them good for ZBS...light on their feet, agile, able to run...make them liabilities in pass blocking where you need some strength and heft to hold your ground. Time after time our linemen get pushed right back into Ryan, defenders are literally within arms reach of Ryan when he passes or tries to move around in the pocket. Typically you want your tackles to guide the rush ends -around- the QB....not back up into him. And there has not been much of a pocket for Ryan to step up into. The 49'ers engaged our linemen, rushed the gaps, strung out plays, and exposed Freeman's weakness, lack of size. Usually one tackler could bring Freeman down. Add in SF jamming our recievers at the line, and you have a loss for our Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Heya raysnill1 ...about running up the middle, I agree with you to a point. Thing is Freeman has been making his living running off tackle. One graphic I saw, I think it was the Titans game, the network showed Freeman's carries the previous game. Freeman had run to the left or right several times apiece, but up the middle just twice. I am not sure our line has enough heft or strength to get enough push to run up the middle, which may be why we did not try a run play at first and goal late in the SF game. And we surely do need a big back for those situations. One thing is for sure...we -have- to run the ball a lot more, Ryan does not need to be attempting 40 plus passes per game. Our team isn't made for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I'd put it almost all on the center, Chester is serviceable. Levitre makes too many penalties, but he's solid, but Center is the achilles heel. Not just in protection, but we've had snapping issues every week. Just because we don't have turnovers every week doesn't mean it's not an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 Heya raysnill1 ...about running up the middle, I agree with you to a point. Thing is Freeman has been making his living running off tackle. One graphic I saw, I think it was the Titans game, the network showed Freeman's carries the previous game. Freeman had run to the left or right several times apiece, but up the middle just twice. I am not sure our line has enough heft or strength to get enough push to run up the middle, which may be why we did not try a run play at first and goal late in the SF game. And we surely do need a big back for those situations. One thing is for sure...we -have- to run the ball a lot more, Ryan does not need to be attempting 40 plus passes per game. Our team isn't made for it.the Niners sacrificed the middle for gap control which is why Freeman's biggest runs were up the middle. we have a FB that has been playing pretty well, a lead blocker could have worked wonders for the run game. SF's LBs were just too clean, shoulda put DiMarco on them or at least give us a different look, maybe leak him out to the flat, anything to get a defender off Matt. there were a lot of times where the line was facing 6 guys rushing and if the 6th guy dropped back in coverage the O-line looked confused. I would have went to some 2 or 3 TE sets to at least keep the LBs from just crashing down, give the threat of them having to cover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E. T. Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I totally agree with this! The oline has taken some steps back. whether its fatigue, gassed, injury...they are noticeably weaker. I doubt that the up-tempo that has been talked about will happen the second half, too much to ask for out of this bunch, unless we frequently rotate players several times during the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I heard DQ a week or two ago mention a snap was late or early (can't recall). It was in response to a question at a presser.Now observing the SF game, you guys tell me if i'm wrong, SF defense was teeing off on the snap count. I think we are setting the snap count on rerun for every stinking play because Person is having issues not only with a clean snap, but the timing as well.There were moments that I just shook my head because their surge was on top of our front line in unison with the snap!! Holy moly!Today there are multiple threads about MR basically running the new O in 2 seconds or less and then taking hits.This Person crap can't continue. I mean a man doesn't have to be an acrobat to handle multiple snap counts. Does he have small hands or is the ball slipping from sweat? If so, get the mofo some talcum powder, stickum, or a Fing towel. I am not anti-Person. He's trying to help this club with center duties on the fly and it isn't a natural position for him is it? Another problem I have is our OC not doing chit to make changes on the fly. Bowman and company were selling out to stop Freeman. What did we do to counter it? If runs up the middle worked, why did we continue running off tackle non stop. Where were the screens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring It Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 The TITLE of this thread says it all.Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiker Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 cutting Hawley was a huge mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMT11 Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 pretty much - i said this in a few others, analyst are saying it, Hugh is saying it so is Randy on 92;9 both NFL pro bowlers - we cannot execute if the line is getting beat like this, the offense will do nothing doesn treally matter, we can do things to make up for weakness which is why were even competing cuz we do have good skill players, but eventually you become very very very limited when your Oline cannot win consistently enough - DEF in NFL will make you pay and this is what weve been watching since 2012. And basiclly what makes every NFL offense that struggles struggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Long Shot Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I've been watching football a long time now and I have to say in my 20 years as a fan I have never in my life seen a team have a continuous snapping the ball issue that has lasted the whole season. This is comedy at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 10, 2015 Share Posted November 10, 2015 I've been watching football a long time now and I have to say in my 20 years as a fan I have never in my life seen a team have a continuous snapping the ball issue that has lasted the whole season. This is comedy at this stage.I still want to know what the o-line coaches are doing about this. Whatever they've been trying, they need to try something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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