MAD597 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Told my wife at the time we should have gone for the 2 point conversion after our TD score. Given how bad our offense has been it makes sense to close within a FG. Even if we missed the conversion we'd still be in the same place making the point after. Also the 2 OPT conversions is the only way kicking a FG at the end of the game makes sense. I thought coaches had a sheet of number combination where you should pretty much always go for a two point conversion. Being down 12-17 should be one of those situations always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gritz Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Good thread and post.I said the same thing over at Supes house when the Falcons scored."We should be going for 2 here."Quinn had a spectacularly bad game yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Early on it's not because by getting the 1 point, if you score a TD you are then up by 3 points and can only be tied by a field goal whereas if you go for 2 and don't get it then a TD would only put you up by two points where a FG beats you. In other words, it sets up chasing points which is what "the book" tells you not to do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSteeleboy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Quinn really did his best to lose the game for us but it's growing pains. He has a lot of learning to do and I belive he'll learn from this. Unlike Mike Smith who repeatedly made the same mistakes over and over until he was fired. I just want to know why the players can't veto the coaches call and do what they feel is best. Going for 2 there would have been the right call. Going for it on 4th down on the SF 2 would have been the right call. Just an overall shameful and pathetic performance yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Falcon Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 "The book" - agrees with Capologist. End of first half TD there is a lot of football and offensive possessions left to play. Had we scored a TD anytime in the 2d half we would have then been tied 17-17 with XPs. You don't want to go for 2, fail, and then get a TD to go17-15 and be forced to go for 2 just to tie then.You generally consider going for 2 about halfway through the 4th when the clock dictates you will only get 1 or maybe 2 more offensive possessions at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Good thread and post.I said the same thing over at Supes house when the Falcons scored."We should be going for 2 here."Quinn had a spectacularly bad game yesterday.Not sure who was worse between Quinn or Shanahan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Early on it's not because by getting the 1 point, if you score a TD you are then up by 3 points and can only be tied by a field goal whereas if you go for 2 and don't get it then a TD would only put you up by two points where a FG beats you. In other words, it sets up chasing points which is what "the book" tells you not to do... Not really, I'd always want to be in a FG tie position with a single possession given the chance and given how our offense has performed lately and were performing during that game. If we miss the @PT conversion or kick a FG we still need another FG or TD to win. Certainly worth the risk with minimal risks. In this case had we missed the conversion we would have lost by 2 points instead of 1 pt, while making it gives us OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 "The book" - agrees with Capologist. End of first half TD there is a lot of football and offensive possessions left to play. Had we scored a TD anytime in the 2d half we would have then been tied 17-17 with XPs. You don't want to go for 2, fail, and then get a TD to go17-15 and be forced to go for 2 just to tie then. You generally consider going for 2 about halfway through the 4th when the clock dictates you will only get 1 or maybe 2 more offensive possessions at that point. Given how the game was playing out, the low consequence of a failure it would have been a pretty easy choice. I'd always rather be down by only 3 compared to 4 and being down by 4 is pretty much the same as being down 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawggone Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 One has to wonder if "the book" has changed in this season with the move back of the extra point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAD597 Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 One has to wonder if "the book" has changed in this season with the move back of the extra point? Yea that to I think 2 point conversion attempt was a no brainier regardless of the fact in hindsight it would have allowed us to OT had we converted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Falcon Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) The TD we are talking about occurred at the end of the 2d Quarter. It was 17-3 and we scored the TD. So it was then 17-9. Had we gone for 2 and failed it would be 17-9 at halftime. In that situation, then you score a TD in the second half, you must go for 2 to tie, fail and be down 17-15, or kick XP and still be down by 1. Unless you just plan to kick 2 FGs in 2d half to tie. But if you are sure enough to get a 3 yard 2pt conversion you are confident you can convert 4th and 3 or less to extend a drive and score a TD on a 2d half possession anyway. You have to assume you can score another TD in 2d half to tie and just take the XP in the 2Q. Especially with a reliable leg in Bryant. Edited November 9, 2015 by JC Falcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_Frenzy Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 In hindsight yes we should have gone for two. In the moment of the game still in the 1st half you take the point because you don't know what will happen in the 2nd half and not taking one point might turn out to be an even worse decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nono Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Not sure why we didn't, we had momentum at the timeThe whole game was a coaching blunder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Told my wife at the time we should have gone for the 2 point conversion after our TD score. Given how bad our offense has been it makes sense to close within a FG. Even if we missed the conversion we'd still be in the same place making the point after.Also the 2 OPT conversions is the only way kicking a FG at the end of the game makes sense.I thought coaches had a sheet of number combination where you should pretty much always go for a two point conversion. Being down 12-17 should be one of those situations always.Yes it deepens the doopy Quinn stepped in on Sunday. Horrible. His coaching was on par with our offensive performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jazzyburrell Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Early on it's not because by getting the 1 point, if you score a TD you are then up by 3 points and can only be tied by a field goal whereas if you go for 2 and don't get it then a TD would only put you up by two points where a FG beats you. In other words, it sets up chasing points which is what "the book" tells you not to do... Cap you are correct except for the fact that we haven't being scoring at all lately. Until we start going downfield more, we need to maximize every opportunity! Pittsburgh went for 2 early and it is the only thing that saved them against Oakland.... the could not stop them and would have lost 35-34. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shc Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I am starting to think we need to bring Smitty back for coaching the first half, and let DQ coach the 2nd Half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blizzard_falcon Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I am starting to think we need to bring Smitty back for coaching the first half, and let DQ coach the 2nd HalfHaha, perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Cap you are correct except for the fact that we haven't being scoring at all lately. Until we start going downfield more, we need to maximize every opportunity! Pittsburgh went for 2 early and it is the only thing that saved them against Oakland.... the could not stop them and would have lost 35-34.Even more reason to kick the point. Why would we expect a struggling offense to convert the 2 pointer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbostp Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I just want to scream every time one of our head coaches wastes timeouts/challenges on spot calls by the ref. Quinn did this on Sunday and they are like never overturned. The risk never meets the reward on those type challenges. About the only time I say do it is near the end of the game and they can run the time off if it is a first down. Otherwise the call will almost always stand because you can never see clearly in the middle of the line anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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