uga_falcons_braves Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Understand the difference. Say what you want, but that's who he is. I'm not here to lay all the blame on Ryan, but he does deserve his share. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Stupid. The play to Julio before the half wasn't just there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nono Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Understand the difference. Say what you want, but that's who he is. I'm not here to lay all the blame on Ryan, but he does deserve his share.He knows in his mind before the play who he is throwing to and dumps a 3 yard check-down when his primary is not open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uga_falcons_braves Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 Like I said, it's not all on him. Quinn made one of the dumbest decisions yesterday by electing to kick the FG with time running out. What part of this defense's past gave him any confidence that they would come up big in the clutch? Also, shows how much confidence he has in Ryan to make a play in that situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Matt Ryan, like he does in every freaking game, had us on the 2 yard line with 3 minutes to go. Quinn decided we should kick a field goal. I'm not debating that Matt has played great. He hasn't. But we can always count on him to get us in position to with the game, and he has in each of our 3 losses, and at least 4 times in our 6 wins. The issue here, is a coaching staff, that refuses to expand on what works, and stubbornly tries to do what matches their philosophy over putting the players in the best position to succeed.Screw "not letting teams dictate what we do". That's just as stupid as "take what the defense gives you".I'm sick of lame cliche coach speak.DO WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconstwopercentsized Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Stop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Matt Ryan, like he does in every freaking game, had us on the 2 yard line with 3 minutes to go. Quinn decided we should kick a field goal. I'm not debating that Matt has played great. He hasn't. But we can always count on him to get us in position to with the game, and he has in each of our 3 losses, and at least 4 times in our 6 wins. The issue here, is a coaching staff, that refuses to expand on what works, and stubbornly tries to do what matches their philosophy over putting the players in the best position to succeed.Screw "not letting teams dictate what we do". That's just as stupid as "take what the defense gives you".I'm sick of lame cliche coach speak.DO WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN.Post of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneOne01 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Whats wrong with that? There are a whole bunch of teams that don't even have QB's that can make plays that are there. We're lucky compared to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Falcon Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 It's a valid observation. Guys like Wilson, Cam, Big Ben, and Rodgers use different skills to sidestep or overpower pass rush pressure and extend and make plays. Brady, Manning, Ryan are pocket passers. No big revelations there either. But it certainly can't be said or implied that you have to be an extend the play "playmaker" QB to win in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blkcaine31 Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I wish he could move that one step in the pocket to get him that extra second like the elite Qbs. That nobody for SF even moved around. We don't have the greatest OL but neither does Rogers, Cam, or even Brees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uga_falcons_braves Posted November 9, 2015 Author Share Posted November 9, 2015 It's a valid observation. Guys like Wilson, Cam, Big Ben, and Rodgers use different skills to sidestep or overpower pass rush pressure and extend and make plays. Brady, Manning, Ryan are pocket passers. No big revelations there either. But it certainly can't be said or implied that you have to be an extend the play "playmaker" QB to win in the NFL.I'm not saying plays can only be made from outside the pocket or via extending plays either. This league has proven that there are more than one way to succeed in it.You pointed out two guys who won't ever be mistaken for Michael Vick, who have been more than successful. But I think you've kinda made my point is Ryan is not a playmaker by any method. I'm not here to question his abilities because I think when he reads things properly presnap, he's a very capable QB. Part of being a playmaker is how do you fare when things breakdown? In Ryan's case of late, not very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Matt Ryan, like he does in every freaking game, had us on the 2 yard line with 3 minutes to go. Quinn decided we should kick a field goal. I'm not debating that Matt has played great. He hasn't. But we can always count on him to get us in position to with the game, and he has in each of our 3 losses, and at least 4 times in our 6 wins. The issue here, is a coaching staff, that refuses to expand on what works, and stubbornly tries to do what matches their philosophy over putting the players in the best position to succeed.Screw "not letting teams dictate what we do". That's just as stupid as "take what the defense gives you".I'm sick of lame cliche coach speak.DO WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN. Actually, the 3rd down throw to JJ wasn't the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_own_nfc_south Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I wish he could move that one step in the pocket to get him that extra second like the elite Qbs. That nobody for SF even moved around. We don't have the greatest OL but neither does Rogers, Cam, or even BreesCam only passing 50% of his passes.... Panthers D is the key and they are making TO at the crucial moments plus I am seeing Rivera calling more attacking call lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4dabirds Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Understand the difference. Say what you want, but that's who he is. I'm not here to lay all the blame on Ryan, but he does deserve his share.I think Ryan is a playmaker, but only under his style of play...Which is to roll out at times, go no-huddle often, or just running a hurry style of offense. Whenever he does what I just mentioned, he is highly successful. Force Ryan into someones scheme of plodding the ball down field and you see what we saw yesterday, and that is sacks, bad throws and drops...All of which affected the running game and not getting it going. Ryan needs to be let loose to do his thing whenever he wants in stead of when it is time to try and come from behind.I could be wrong with this assessment, but I think the stats would support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) Actually, the 3rd down throw to JJ wasn't the best.I believe that was second down. We threw it to Hardy, I think, on third down and he caught it on about the 3 or 4 and was tackled at the 1 or 2. I do agree the ball should have been maybe 6-12 inches higher but the DB was just there for the fade. What was really dumb was not throwing it into the end zone four straight times against their inexperience DB's. Hard to run it in from the 8 where we started, especially given our inability to run all day.Just stupid, stupid play-calling by Shanahan...again! Edited November 9, 2015 by Quarterback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 I believe that was second down. We threw it to Hardy, I think, on third down and he caught it on about the 3 or 4 and was tackled at the 1 or 2. I do agree the ball should have been maybe 6-12 inches higher but the DB was just there for the fade. What was really dumb was not throwing it into the end zone four straight times against their inexperience DB's. Hard to run it in from the 8 where we started, especially given our inability to run all day.Just stupid, stupid play-calling by Shanahan...again!You are correct is was 2nd down to JJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconinPA Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Like I said, it's not all on him. Quinn made one of the dumbest decisions yesterday by electing to kick the FG with time running out. What part of this defense's past gave him any confidence that they would come up big in the clutch? Also, shows how much confidence he has in Ryan to make a play in that situation.I don't know how true it is, but some are saying that Quinn temporarily thought he was still coaching Seattle's defense when he elected that option. It was even said that he made some reference about having confidence in the Legion of doom, I mean boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 To think that you can stop them, get the ball back AND kick a FG with less than 3 mins and 2 T.O.s is a major brain-fart. It just makes more sense to go for the win, if you don't get the TD...THEN, they are backed up on the one. That's the ultimate scenario concerning trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great American Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Ryan haters would really miss him if we were forced to play the back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnst Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 Matt Ryan, like he does in every freaking game, had us on the 2 yard line with 3 minutes to go. Quinn decided we should kick a field goal. I'm not debating that Matt has played great. He hasn't. But we can always count on him to get us in position to with the game, and he has in each of our 3 losses, and at least 4 times in our 6 wins. The issue here, is a coaching staff, that refuses to expand on what works, and stubbornly tries to do what matches their philosophy over putting the players in the best position to succeed.Screw "not letting teams dictate what we do". That's just as stupid as "take what the defense gives you".I'm sick of lame cliche coach speak.DO WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN. This is what I liked about Quinn - developing schemes around the talent in lieu of forcing a scheme on the players. I may be wrong but I see a philosophical conflict between Quinn and Shanahan in that arena and if Shanny is anything like his father, Quinn's got his hands full of ego crap to deal with. Man up Quinn and tell the boy how it needs to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Man Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) I don't know if Shanahan is holding him back or what? We don't take near enough deep shots considering we have Julio Freakin Jones! I know half the time it's because the pocket collapses in .032 seconds, but when Ryan has time we are throwning these short passes in the middle of the field, or these 7-8 yard passes on a curl route. And also that friggin screen pass reared it's ugly head again yesterday... I think if we had a OL like Dallas we might really see what Ryan could be capable of, but I don't know if anything like that will happen with TD. Edited November 9, 2015 by Mega Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeriver Posted November 9, 2015 Share Posted November 9, 2015 (edited) It always seems to me that when there are 2 minutes left on the clock and Ryan suddenly gets more control of the offense he goes out there and makes a lot of plays. I've seen it time and again. He even looks different out there, really fluid and rhythmic. He'll start doing weird things like throwing side passes or threading the ball while jumping or throwing off safeties with throw fakes like he did on the Julio TD against the Bucs. Outside the no huddle he seems really robotic and mechanical, just going through the motions. Edited November 9, 2015 by likeriver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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