ParanoidAndroid Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 No huddle up tempo sounds nice but I'd rather just hand off to Freeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 This is exactly why we can't have a discussion about QBs in this town, and why I defend Matt. We can't just say "Matt needs to step it up, or Matt needs to improve",it always devolves into replacing Matt, with some idiotic suggestion, Either some impossible trade scenario to get Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers, drafting some unproven spread/mobile QB, or putting in some Back Up in like Dom Davis, or now Sean Renfree that wouldn't even make most teams practice squads. Wasn't Atlanta ranked the 32nd back QB situation? Ah yes Dominique Davis. Remember when he was just "not getting a chance"? Well he has now also been cut by the Colts, Titans and the Calgary Stampeders. Anyone who kept posting about how much better he was needs to forfeit their internet service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allknowing Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 im out of the overreacting phase. i think the team will be fine going forward. these guys are professionals theyve met their fumble quotas for the rest of the season.... except the centers that's the position that still worries me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Ah yes Dominique Davis. Remember when he was just "not getting a chance"? Well he has now also been cut by the Colts, Titans and the Calgary Stampeders. Anyone who kept posting about how much better he was needs to forfeit their internet service. Mike Vick and the turmoil between 2006 and 2008 has made a rational conversation about a Quarterback in this city completely impossible. Not-so-hidden agendas will always pop their dirty little head up in the conversation. It's why I'm sticking with Matt until a realistic, better solution appears. I don't even see a true NFL ready QB coming out of the draft anytime soon. Talk to me in 5 years when Jacob Eason comes out. Top 10 QBs aren't easy to find. There are things he needs to do to improve, and there are things the coaches should do to put him in the best situation to succeed. That should be the limit to the discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) Why this matters I will never know. Joe Flacco has the same number of Super Bowl wins as Aaron Rodgers. All Matt has to do is help us win one. The whole "carrying the team" exaggeration is garbage. Teams win, period.If Aaron had Seattle's defense, and Julio, Roddy, and Hankerson.....Freeman... Jake at LT... It works both ways...Football is entertainment too.... Super-QBs sell tickets, and fill seats..Even when one doesn't win a Superbowl.Even the QB in Seattle is not worth that $$$$, and he is not as good as Ryan. He had the NFL's #1 defense, and RB..... Choke-off the salary cap, and now....Just because a QB wins a Superbowl--doesn't not mean...he deserves--$100,000,000.00 for 5 seasons. He better be Top 3-4 in all stats at the position the first 2-3 years of that contract--because I cannot build a defense for my team under the salary cap (and even one I draft won't be a beast--That is why there is a draft every season), or keep the skill position players.. This QB better emulate Tom Brady, Brees, and Rodgers, and be able to score with any WR, or TE at will.As an owner, I need to sell seats and suites in "the most expensive Dome of all time!!!"We need to score points! We need excitement--if we are not going to win a Superbowl with defense.. Or else, I will get a nice and efficient QB like The Jets' Fitzpatrick, and continue to draft, and sign defensive free agents. After I win, if my nice and efficient QB wants $100 Million over 6 seasons..He's gone. I'm either in the Championship race every season, or building excitement and entertainment, or both. I am not keeping a $100 Million QB, WR, and RB if they cannot score points. Something is wrong-whether it is talent, study-time, training, diet, social-life, or scheme. To me $100 Million says, "I will score more TDs against the best defenses in The NFL". Edited November 6, 2015 by Rise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJmusic Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Mike Vick and the turmoil between 2006 and 2008 has made a rational conversation about a Quarterback in this city completely impossible. Not-so-hidden agendas will always pop their dirty little head up in the conversation. It's why I'm sticking with Matt until a realistic, better solution appears. I don't even see a true NFL ready QB coming out of the draft anytime soon. Talk to me in 5 years when Jacob Eason comes out. Top 10 QBs aren't easy to find. There are things he needs to do to improve, and there are things the coaches should do to put him in the best situation to succeed. That should be the limit to the discussion. Exactly. What QB has been drafted since 08 that has been better than him? One? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Mike Vick and the turmoil between 2006 and 2008 has made a rational conversation about a Quarterback in this city completely impossible. Not-so-hidden agendas will always pop their dirty little head up in the conversation. It's why I'm sticking with Matt until a realistic, better solution appears. I don't even see a true NFL ready QB coming out of the draft anytime soon. Talk to me in 5 years when Jacob Eason comes out. Top 10 QBs aren't easy to find. There are things he needs to do to improve, and there are things the coaches should do to put him in the best situation to succeed. That should be the limit to the discussion. I would not have paid Vick $100 Million..... He could not run forever, and he wasn't scoring a lot of TDs either running or passing.He could not remain healthy, and he could not read defenses...A QB with a cannon arm needs smaller or slimmer, speedy WRs They do not need big WCO WRs who will eat, and add weight to slow them down.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rise Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Exactly. What QB has been drafted since 08 that has been better than him? One?True, but QBS are overrated in the NFL besides the top 4-5Sometimes, there are very efficient QBs, and there are those who score a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 Exactly. What QB has been drafted since 08 that has been better than him? One?Last year, I might have said Luck, but this year, I'm convinced he's not. So yeah, one QB since 2008 was a maybe, but only because of upside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 True, but QBS are overrated in the NFL besides the top 4-5Sometimes, there are very efficient QBs, and there are those who score a lot.The last 15 years has been the golden age of QBs. When Manning came in to the league, it was Steve Young toward the end, and Favre in his prime. Kurt Warner a year later. These kids that only know football from redzone channel and sportscenter highlights don't understand what a rare period this is. There might have been 2-3 elite QBs in previous eras playing at the same time. Right now, we have Peyton, Brady, Brees, Rodgers.Big Ben and Eli (both cause of their 2 rings. Russell Wilson (although I'm not sold) Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Andy Dalton, and Andrew Luck possibly in the conversation. Cam Newton is only mentioned because he's a powerful runner, which opens things up for him vertically, but is anyone sold on him long term? What is he when he doesn't have wheels? A 50% passer? Stafford has the upside, but not the work ethic, Tannehill and Carr are still question marks,Cutler is probably too late.Winston and Mariota have potential, but I'm not seeing both panning out.Despite Brady's declaration of playing 10 more years, We know in the next 3-4 years 4 or 5 of those guys will be retired, The crop of NFL caliber QBs is dwindling as spread offenses take over college, and athleticism wins out over technique, and knowledge of the game, we're just not going to see the level of QB across the NFL we've been used to. Heck, even some of the big names possibly coming out in the draft next year have 2nd round grades. There are no "Andrew Lucks" or "John Elways" coming out anytime soon. The kid Lynch from Memphis is being compared to Blake Bortles and he might be the only one of 2 1st rounders. Cardale Jones was a 2nd round prospect at best with a short, albeit impressive resume, who just got benched. Boykin from TCU has a 6th round grade despite being a Heisman candidate. We have it about as good as one can expect with Matt Ryan. Does he need to improve? Absolutely, He has been disappointing this season considering we finally have a run game, and decent protection. Hopefully these are just growing pains in a new system. He's still leading a 6-2 team, has a 67%, and 3rd in the NFL in passing yards. We need to see a little deep ball, and more consistency in the red zone. He needs to up his TD passes if he wants to take the next step. Matt Ryan is the guy. I don't see any realistic scenario where we can get someone better. Having a franchise QB isn't something we should take for granted, even if he's in a lull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 I would not have paid Vick $100 Million..... He could not run forever, and he wasn't scoring a lot of TDs either running or passing.He could not remain healthy, and he could not read defenses...A QB with a cannon arm needs smaller or slimmer, speedy WRs They do not need big WCO WRs who will eat, and add weight to slow them down..That's why it's more about a coach/ GM relationship who knows how to build and scehme around a QB to maximize his talent as opposed, square pegging him into their philosophy. That's the conflict we had with Smitty and the Defense, and these past few games, it seems like the case with Shanahan. I think Shanahan can adapt and will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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