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I've never been completely sold on Matthew Ryan. But last season watching him play I said to myself "self, if we were to make the post season I think Ryan could deliver"

Sure our line was garbage, we were wasting talent, and had no run game to speak of...but Ryan was balling.

This year tho, our line is improved (although how much is highly debatable), run game is lights out, and we are 6-2...but my faith in Ryan is back to where it was pre last season...he can get us close, but not quite there.

Was he really playing that much better last season? Just frustrating that as soon as I wrap my mind around the thought that Ryan could possibly be the guy. He instills those old doubts in my head.

Hopefully I'm worrying over nothing and he leads us to the post season and a Lombardi.

Anyone else kinda feeling the same? Or different even?

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At the end of the day you can be as smart as Stephen Hawking but that doesn't make you smart on the field under pressure. He's had one 30 touchdown season in his 7 years which is pretty unremarkable given the weapons he's had

Ryan is good enough to win it all, but he can't carry a team like top 5 QB's can

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it's quiet simple - does he have the Grit? is he clutch in big games? Can he single handedly turn the game around like Brady or Rodgers on consistent basis have been doing?

Yes, they all have miscues and breakdowns but, when you are on a big stage, when you know you are in red zone and you have 4th & goal situation to punch it in to lift the Lombardi....is Ryan our guy?

It will all come down to 1 or 2 key plays in playoffs ....and that's where LEGENDS are won.

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Ryan took his game to that level after 2012 began. This season he reverted to some poor tendencies of the past, but the real Ryan has been there underneath and we saw it sometimes through the 1st 4 games. The Bucs game wasn't as hard of a loss on me as it should've been because I saw the real Ryan resurface in that game and I'm expecting to see him from here on out

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Ryan took his game to that level after 2012 began. This season he reverted to some poor tendencies of the past, but the real Ryan has been there underneath and we saw it sometimes through the 1st 4 games. The Bucs game wasn't as hard of a loss on me as it should've been because I saw the real Ryan resurface in that game and I'm expecting to see him from here on out

Not gonna lie, he did seem to flip the switch after he slammed his helmet on the sideline.

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Things are a little off with Ryan, no doubt. But I think he'll turn it around. I haven't lost faith yet, but they and he need to get their shyt together.

Again: he is transitioning to an entirely different type of offense. Everything about the WCO is fundamentally different from what he is used to. It takes at least a year for the whole offense to get the WCO down pat and on the same page. Matt Ryan is out-performing every other quarterback I can remember that was in a WCO-transitional year.

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IMO Ryan is plenty good enough to win a SB. All QBs throw a WTF int from time to time. Ryan hasn't played his best this season but he's getting a lot more blame than he should be.

1. Ryan can't help bad snaps.

2. He doesn't seem to have the control over the offense like he has in the past. That's either Shanny not allowing it or he hasn't totally grasped the offense yet to do it.

3. Need more no huddle. Ryan is def. rhythm based and seems to really get it going when he is calling the play.

JMHO

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At the end of the day you can be as smart as Stephen Hawking but that doesn't make you smart on the field under pressure. He's had one 30 touchdown season in his 7 years which is pretty unremarkable given the weapons he's had

Ryan is good enough to win it all, but he can't carry a team like top 5 QB's can

*Sigh.

Passing TD's is a small part of the whole picture, which you clearly can't see.

He's the 5th fastest ever to reach 30,000 yards passing, and the 4th youngest. Don't you think that's pretty **** good?

Marino/Warner - 114 games

Peyton 115

Rodgers 116

Ryan 117

Brees 120

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Again: he is transitioning to an entirely different type of offense. Everything about the WCO is fundamentally different from what he is used to. It takes at least a year for the whole offense to get the WCO down pat and on the same page. Matt Ryan is out-performing every other quarterback I can remember that was in a WCO-transitional year.

Yep, and if your benchmark for a falcons QB must be Brady or Rogers, then enjoy your pain folks. That's just unrealistic. I'll get behind Ryan even if he's been pizzing me off lately. The dude has been one of the main reasons our team has had any success whatsoever over the last 5 years. I don't mind waiting for him to get this system down and snap out of his funk just like everyone else on the team.

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*Sigh.

Passing TD's is a small part of the whole picture, which you clearly can't see.

He's the 5th fastest ever to reach 30,000 yards passing, and the 4th youngest. Don't you think that's pretty **** good?

Marino/Warner - 114 games

Peyton 115

Rodgers 116

Ryan 117

Brees 120

TD's are much more important than yards. All of those guys have tremendously more touchdowns and much more success

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TD's are much more important than yards. All of those guys have tremendously more touchdowns and much more success

First 7 years of career:

Drew Brees: 134 (167 if discount first year as an outlier)

Marino: 130 (146 if you discount 1993)

Warner: 208 TDs in 12 seasons - Career total

Rodgers: 225 (possible future GOAT)

Peyton: 216 (49 in seventh season, averaged ~28 in his first 6, current GOAT)

Ryan: 181

They really don't have tremendously more touchdowns. Three of them aren't even close, and Peyton and Rodgers are first ballot HoFers/maybe the best to ever play the game. Either way, my point isn't even relevant to my opinion of Ryan's skill, it's that success for QBs in regards to them throwing touchdowns hasn't really come until during or after a QB's seventh or eighth season, with Brady doing the same thing that Peyton did, averaging 24.5 TDs/year until his breakout 50 in his seventh season.

We're in Matt's eighth, it hasn't ended, and he's averaged 26 TDs/year through his first seven seasons. Statistically, he's right on schedule.

If you want to be doom and gloom about the QB, that's perfectly fine, but your opinion regarding TDs has no basis in statistical reality, unless you really wanted to add up the total career TDs of people that are substantially older than him (except Rodgers), which would be hilarious.

I also don't subscribe to the whole QB = Superbowl thing, else Peyton would have more than Eli, and Marino would've got one before he retired, but that's a different conversation.

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NFL quarterback is the most difficult position to play in all of professional sports. It's simple arithmetic: There are only 32 teams, and guys like Johnny Manziel and Blaine Gabbert keep getting chances to start!!!! So, given that, I think Matt Ryan is pretty got-dam good at what he does and we're lucky to have him.

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The year Eli changed into a similar system he had one of his worst years statistically...the next he had one of his best.

Its the scheme change

Indeed it is. I looked into Eli and Rodgers' transitions to the WCO and it simply takes TIME. Almost always a year under the system.

"It's more difficult for a veteran quarterback to learn it. Vinny Testaverde has had a hard time with the Jets' West Coast offense under Paul Hackett because Vinny was taught a different way. He played for a number of years dropping back, looking at the receivers and letting it go when they were open. It's like teaching an old dog new tricks. I can't describe how much work is involved. The footwork needs to be well-coached, and the quarterback has to be willing."

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