Oldskooler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 That's not really fair, he got hurt in the first game of the season and he was getting a lot of QB pressures before he went down.His career stat line shows zeros straight across the board.I still say Pothead Skinnyboy will NEVER make it in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JG2008 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Looking past sack figures and just looking at what kind of pressure and penetration is he even generating--- he is nowhere even close to the QB's - I have seen nothing in 8 games except perhaps 4 snaps where he has been in the vicinity of the QB. The rest of the time he looks like a stick getting manhandled at the line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Coming from one of Beasley's biggest critics...His first step isnt the problem.His pass rush repertoire is garbage.He lacks discipline.He isnt strong enough.I could go on.These are things that were noticeable while he was in college. You guys fail to realize that Beasley was asked to do one thing in college....use his speed to get sacks. He had a slew of players around him that helped him get those sacks like Grady Jarret and Stephone Anthony. He was not nearly as dynamic enough as a pass rusher in college and it was evident. Not to mention he was garbage in run support. We whiffed on the number 8 pick, and that's all there is to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidecar Falcon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Lmmfao How did I know that Gurley would have been brought up. Ugh...don't people realize that running back is an easier transition to make in the pros than a defensive end? That's why RBBC is a thing. The sheer stupidity of people saying we should have drafted Gurley, when we currently have the best running back in the game, is staggering. It makes me honestly wonder if these so called people actually watch football.Beasley has flashed at times, and has beaten his opponent off the snap quite a few times. I see a lot of spin move attempts, but mainly he gets pushed to the outside of the pocket, and washed out of the play. This is common with rookies who rely solely on their speed, give him some time to develop. No one here expected him to be the second coming of LT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I give lengthy responses Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Remember when Julio didn't have a touchdown in his first 8 games? What a bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Door Gunner Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I got owned with rookie season stats? Maybe I should post the stats of busts?I have no idea if Beasley will be a bust or not, and I'm definitely not impressed with him this season. Kinda feel like I got sold a bill of goods. However, I like your point. It would be interesting to see a list of rookie pass rushers with the likes of JA98.Like I said. I don't know were he will end up, but for now the best I can say about him is Whoopty F%&kin Doo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpion Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Eh hes playing at about what i expected from him. I think hes gonna be a good player (ie average) but never a great player. I just dont think he has the size or physical ability for that. You look at al the great DE's and they are monsters/extremely strong/powerfull....Julies Peppers , Greg Hardy , Jerred Allen, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hoopah! Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Run game and overall Magical ZBS are tailing off. Gurley would have kept it alive. Home run hitter that can get a third and one.Devonta Freeman is still the league's leading rusher despite rushing for 25 yards or less in the first two games of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSmithsNotepad Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Remember when Julio didn't have a touchdown in his first 8 games? What a bustI hate this logic because their are plenty of rookies who don't do squat in their first year and turn out to be busts. Not every underachiever is going to be a All Pro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I hate this logic because their are plenty of rookies who don't do squat in their first year and turn out to be busts. Not every underachiever is going to be a All Pro.I tip my cap to this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halsey. Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I still think Beasley can be a valuable part of the team for a long time, but it's a little frustrating to read that a 23 year old 5 year college player just needs time to get stronger and develop. Especially when the Falcons passed up the best RB on the planet, who also happens to be 2 years younger than Beasley. The Falcons could have gotten a developmental pass rusher in rnd 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSmithsNotepad Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) I still think Beasley can be a valuable part of the team for a long time, but it's a little frustrating to read that a 23 year old 5 year college player just needs time to get stronger and develop. Especially when the Falcons passed up the best RB on the planet, who also happens to be 2 years younger than Beasley. The Falcons could have gotten a developmental pass rusher in rnd 2 or 3. The emergence of Devonta makes that much more bearable, but i get what you are saying. I also thought Vic was 21 for some reason. I wanted to trade down and draft Cameron Erving btw. Im still made we missed out on Pouncey by one pick a few yrs ago Edited November 2, 2015 by MikeSmithsNotepad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 God-**** some of these posts are ******* stupid.Yikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_Frenzy Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Fantasy football and Madden are ruining some of you guys. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Coming from one of Beasley's biggest critics...His first step isnt the problem.His pass rush repertoire is garbage.He lacks discipline.He isnt strong enough.I could go on.These are things that were noticeable while he was in college. You guys fail to realize that Beasley was asked to do one thing in college....use his speed to get sacks. He had a slew of players around him that helped him get those sacks like Grady Jarret and Stephone Anthony.He was not nearly as dynamic enough as a pass rusher in college and it was evident. Not to mention he was garbage in run support. We whiffed on the number 8 pick, and that's all there is to it.Awful analysis. Just awful. But thanks for playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Awful analysis. Just awful. But thanks for playing.Not saying I agree with the poster you quoted, but can you spell out a counter-analysis? Your response does nothing to refute his analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSmithsNotepad Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Not saying I agree with the poster you quoted, but can you spell out a counter-analysis? Your response does nothing to refute his analysis.Dude is a pom pom swinging cheerleader who uses sarcasm to mask his passive aggressiveness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilleniumFalcon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) His career stat line shows zeros straight across the board.I still say Pothead Skinnyboy will NEVER make it in the NFL.If Beasley got hurt in the 2nd quarter of game one, he would have zeros across the board as well.David Moore: Yes. This is going to be really interesting. This is the line they envisioned from the start. To show you how good Randy Gregory was in such a limited time, he was on the field for 19 snaps in that opener against the Giants before he got hurt. He had three quarterback pressures in that period and was constantly in the backfield. He was very disruptive. Until Greg Hardy came on, he (Gregory) actually led the team in quarterback hurries with three, having played only 19 snaps going into the fifth game of the season. One, that showed you how effective he was. Two, it showed you how ineffective this Cowboys pass rush has been.So in just 19 snaps, Gregory had more QB pressures than any of his teammates had through five total games. Edited November 2, 2015 by MilleniumFalcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Not saying I agree with the poster you quoted, but can you spell out a counter-analysis? Your response does nothing to refute his analysis.To what end? I've spent more time than I can quantify refuting flawed analysis on this board. It never gets anyone anywhere, so why should I keep doing it? I think if you think "his pass rush repertoire is garbage" is something worth debating, have at it. If you think "we whiffed on the number 8 pick" is an opinion that justifies a substantive response (after half a season mind you!), feel free to provide it. But "analysis" like that already gets too much run around this board. No reason to stretch the stupid out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I hate this logic because their are plenty of rookies who don't do squat in their first year and turn out to be busts. Not every underachiever is going to be a All Pro.And not every All-Pro starts off red hot.And not every rookie that starts off red hot turns into a good player. When applying general "principles" to individual players, those trends aren't worth a whole much absent data that suggests they are. And that cuts both ways, not just toward the favorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I give lengthy responses Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I hate this logic because their are plenty of rookies who don't do squat in their first year and turn out to be busts. Not every underachiever is going to be a All Pro.And not every underachiever is going to be a bust. Labeling Beasley as such through 8 games is asinine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Huge Beasley supporter, and even I see areas for concern. But not to do with his strength, or even his physicality - the biggest issue I have is his lack of confidence. He started off doing much better than he's been the last few games, even tallying a solo sack besting the near unbeatable Tyron Smith. He had a ton of hurries and was actually a DROY candidate, one of the top 5 in an NFL article.Imo, where he started to falter wasn't even the Texans and Skins games - he still had pressures, and he was facing two of the best LTs in football. No, it was the Saints game - where he watched his favorite team get utterly humiliated by their biggest rival, watched an offense struggle and fail, watched his brothers on defense give up and realize they couldn't win.This is far from an excuse. If anything, I'm even more angry and a bit unsettled that his confidence seems to have faltered so much, and he's been making stupid penalties and struggling trying to do too much without remembering fundamentals as a result. He isn't the technician I saw in college. Instead, he tries to use moves he hasn't refined, flailing like a newborn. He isn't setting up people with head fakes anymore. He isn't playing for the long haul. He knows what is expected and is trying too hard to meet those expectations, and ironically he looks worse because of it.Football is a very mentality driven game. A bad head space can be just as bad as an injury (or worse).Then again, this is really just me postulating, so...take it with a grain of salt. Quinn needs to get his head right or he might not be able to turn it around, at least this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 To what end? I've spent more time than I can quantify refuting flawed analysis on this board. It never gets anyone anywhere, so why should I keep doing it? I think if you think "his pass rush repertoire is garbage" is something worth debating, have at it. If you think "we whiffed on the number 8 pick" is an opinion that justifies a substantive response (after half a season mind you!), feel free to provide it. But "analysis" like that already gets too much run around this board. No reason to stretch the stupid out. He only has one pass rush move: spin spin spin spin. His "pass rush repertoire" IS garbage. I don't view that as particularly bothersome, though. A rookie is expected to need to learn things like that."Whiffed on the #8 pick" is obviously either hyperbole or ridiculous. I am critical of his idiotic decision to keep his weight at an unacceptably low 240 or fewer pounds, but it is clearly way to early to place any label beyond "too light" on him right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeSmithsNotepad Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 And not every underachiever is going to be a bust. Labeling Beasley as such through 8 games is asinine.I never said he was going to be a bust. I actually like the kid. But the Julio comparison is not valid because for every Julio there are about 100 Jamal Andersons that are busts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtldirtybird Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Beasley never had an amazing first step. You're thinking of Shane Ray.this a joke? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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