Mid-Nite-Toker Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 MR will continue to be a coach killer in the playoffs if he doesn't figure it out...this is a p/o team.What scheme doesn't MR fit if he has production from the rb position...100+ yards from scrimmage,No excuses he's(MR) always been part of the problem since Smitty and now Quinn is getting grief...at 6-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ssippifalcon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I just think they are having some bad miscues when it comes to turnovers, i seen two bad plays by matt and that was the interception and the fumble when handing off to freeman, they arent in sync and quite honestly i think it has to do with poor center play. The oline has been good outside of snapping the ball. Themess ups by the center are far and wide the biggest issue and i think its causing all the turnovers. The fumble by julio was just sheer dumb luck, julio did something he doesnt do, not secure the ball. He put an emphasis on it the rest of the game, you could see him cradle every snap. I think if we fix this ball security issue then we will see our offense rise back to the occasion. Im all for keeping stone in the game and pushing person to backup, his miss snaps have been far worse than stones from my observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattbob_Icepants Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Gotta love the reactionary Bs Threads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattbob_Icepants Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 MR will continue to be a coach killer in the playoffs if he doesn't figure it out...this is a p/o team.What scheme doesn't MR fit if he has production from the rb position...100+ yards from scrimmage,No excuses he's(MR) always been part of the problem since Smitty and now Quinn is getting grief...at 6-2.MR coach Killer.. I've heard it all now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 MR coach Killer.. I've heard it all now.Yep you heard it...playoffs.Its shown during this regular season...why is Quinn getting grief at 6-2.Smitty won 13 twice...you better get the wax out your ear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Ryan threw one INT yesterday and otherwise was pretty solid. Outside a couple of bad throws (first throw of the game was in the dirt, etc.), he was good enough to win. He didn't fumble after a huge gain. He didn't treat a shotgun snap like a bowling match. It's arguable whether the mesh fumble was his fault, but it begs the question why we're doing read option anyway. The truth is this part of the season looks like Shanahan is trying stuff out. I'm not sure why he'd do that, or if Quinn is on board, or if this is stuff we installed and do well in practice but can't execute in games, but instead of doing what worked the first few games, we're running pistol and read-option looks now instead of the spread looks we were running the last few weeks, and all of that instead of the 21 personnel, run the ball and play action stuff that worked really well early in the season. I'm not sure what's going on, but at the end of the day, pinning a loss where we had 4 turnovers, only 2 of which he was involved in at all and only 1 of which is certainly his fault, is ridiculous. Matt Ryan hasn't played as well lately as he has last season. He had a downright terrible game last week and 2 weeks prior. But in the 2 losses he's played well enough for us to win. He's pretty far from our biggest problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Ryan threw one INT yesterday and otherwise was pretty solid. Outside a couple of bad throws (first throw of the game was in the dirt, etc.), he was good enough to win.He didn't fumble after a huge gain.He didn't treat a shotgun snap like a bowling match.It's arguable whether the mesh fumble was his fault, but it begs the question why we're doing read option anyway.The truth is this part of the season looks like Shanahan is trying stuff out. I'm not sure why he'd do that, or if Quinn is on board, or if this is stuff we installed and do well in practice but can't execute in games, but instead of doing what worked the first few games, we're running pistol and read-option looks now instead of the spread looks we were running the last few weeks, and all of that instead of the 21 personnel, run the ball and play action stuff that worked really well early in the season. I'm not sure what's going on, but at the end of the day, pinning a loss where we had 4 turnovers, only 2 of which he was involved in at all and only 1 of which is certainly his fault, is ridiculous. Matt Ryan hasn't played as well lately as he has last season. He had a downright terrible game last week and 2 weeks prior. But in the 2 losses he's played well enough for us to win. He's pretty far from our biggest problem.Ryan was apart of two t/o....I thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Ryan was apart of two t/o....I thought. If you want to blame him for the mesh fumble, he was. But in order to do that, you have to assume it wasn't supposed to be a keeper (i.e., that Ryan decided at the very last minute to pull the ball while Freeman rightly thought he should keep it), that the RB controls the decision on read option instead of the QB having the option, and you have to answer the question I asked, to wit: Why are we running read option again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 If you want to blame him for the mesh fumble, he was. But in order to do that, you have to assume it wasn't supposed to be a keeper (i.e., that Ryan decided at the very last minute to pull the ball while Freeman rightly thought he should keep it), that the RB controls the snap on read option instead of the QB having the option, and you have to answer the question I asked, to wit:Why are we running read option again?TB won because JW didn't turn the ball over...marinate on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 TB won because JW didn't turn the ball over...marinate on that. Non-response is non-responsive. If you want to post "I don't like Matt Ryan," then just post it. If you want to argue he's responsible for a loss where he had 1 turnover, MAYBE 2 (but probably not) out of 4, when he posted 400 yards 2 TDs and the 1 INT, then come with an argument instead of pimping Jameis Winston's resume. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Non-response is non-responsive.If you want to post "I don't like Matt Ryan," then just post it. If you want to argue he's responsible for a loss where he had 1 turnover, MAYBE 2 (but probably not) out of 4, when he posted 400 yards 2 TDs and the 1 INT, then come with an argument instead of pimping Jameis Winston's resume.You don't believe he had only 1 t/o...why should I reply "I don't like MR."MR makes my case I don't have to make one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 You don't believe he had only 1 t/o...why should I reply "I hate MR." MR makes my case I don't have to make one. You don't get to tell me what I believe. I made an argument for why I believe the 2nd wasn't his. Several arguments actually. Then you replied "Jameis is SOOOO dreamy" (or words to that effect). Solid reply. I'll stand on my original post. You clearly aren't going to address it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy City Falcon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Ryan threw one INT yesterday and otherwise was pretty solid. Outside a couple of bad throws (first throw of the game was in the dirt, etc.), he was good enough to win.He didn't fumble after a huge gain.He didn't treat a shotgun snap like a bowling match.It's arguable whether the mesh fumble was his fault, but it begs the question why we're doing read option anyway.The truth is this part of the season looks like Shanahan is trying stuff out. I'm not sure why he'd do that, or if Quinn is on board, or if this is stuff we installed and do well in practice but can't execute in games, but instead of doing what worked the first few games, we're running pistol and read-option looks now instead of the spread looks we were running the last few weeks, and all of that instead of the 21 personnel, run the ball and play action stuff that worked really well early in the season. I'm not sure what's going on, but at the end of the day, pinning a loss where we had 4 turnovers, only 2 of which he was involved in at all and only 1 of which is certainly his fault, is ridiculous. Matt Ryan hasn't played as well lately as he has last season. He had a downright terrible game last week and 2 weeks prior. But in the 2 losses he's played well enough for us to win. He's pretty far from our biggest problem.He did get bailed out of losing another fumble by Freeman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 You don't get to tell me what I believe. I made an argument for why I believe the 2nd wasn't his. Several arguments actually.Then you replied "Jameis is SOOOO dreamy" (or words to that effect).Solid reply. I'll stand on my original post. You clearly aren't going to address it.He never has and never will have an honest conversation about it. Even if he tried to, at this point his posts are so one sided that he's basically a parody account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 This. I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly what the problem is but if I'm not mistaken this is the same scheme he ran at BC.I think if you take away the center exchange problems we win. Easy. Those bad snaps have caused more misses and miscues than most realize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 He did get bailed out of losing another fumble by Freeman Fair enough. And the defense almost had several interceptions. I wasn't aware those counted. Ryan almost had a huge play with Julio until Julio fumbled. We almost had a TD until Person decided he wanted to play croquet instead of football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy City Falcon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Fair enough. And the defense almost had several interceptions.I wasn't aware those counted. Ryan almost had a huge play with Julio until Julio fumbled. We almost had a TD until Person decided he wanted to play croquet instead of football.It actually did count, it cost us a 3rd down for no yards in sudden death overtime actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 You don't get to tell me what I believe. I made an argument for why I believe the 2nd wasn't his. Several arguments actually.Then you replied "Jameis is SOOOO dreamy" (or words to that effect).Solid reply. I'll stand on my original post. You clearly aren't going to address it.I never said JW was dreamy...he didn't turn the ball over. I think MR was apart of two t/o.Now tell me MR ain't a coach kilia...with the criticism Quinn is facing at 6-2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think if you take away the center exchange problems we Easy. Those bad snaps have caused more misses and miscues than most realize.You rarely see this type of ineptness even on the college level anymore. It speaks to the lack of preparation and fundamentals.It's inexcusable at the professional level and you will NEVER see this many miscues from a playoff contending team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 He never has and never will have an honest conversation about it. Even if he tried to, at this point his posts are so one sided that he's basically a parody account. You never have and never will make a solid post on TATF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 It actually did count, it cost us a 3rd down for no yards in sudden death overtime actually You mean the one that was essentially a sack fumble where Howard Jones came unblocked to the QB? The one they reviewed to make sure it wasn't an incomplete pass? That one? If you're talking about another play, I'm not remembering which one that was. In any event, it doesn't count as a turnover if we didn't turn the ball over, so it actually didn't count. And it's hardly Ryan's fault he got hit immediately after the snap because nobody on the o-line decided to block their guy. The line didn't block anyone in OT. And we didn't try to run at them. I don't know how that's Ryan's fault exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 when your quarterback is not even sure he will actually going to get the ball off the snap.......game after game after game he is constantly having to check he actually got the ball off the snap and that understandably has got into his head and is affecting the offence.Totally agree. I think this is going under the radar right now. I've seen a bunch of missed throws that would've been completed had they been on time and snapped correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windy City Falcon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 You mean the one that was essentially a sack fumble where Howard Jones came unblocked to the QB? The one they reviewed to make sure it wasn't an incomplete pass? That one?If you're talking about another play, I'm not remembering which one that was. In any event, it doesn't count as a turnover if we didn't turn the ball over, so it actually didn't count. And it's hardly Ryan's fault he got hit immediately after the snap because nobody on the o-line decided to block their guy. The line didn't block anyone in OT. And we didn't try to run at them. I don't know how that's Ryan's fault exactly.So did we get another 3rd down because it wasn't a turnover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I never said JW was dreamy...he didn't turn the ball over. I think MR was apart of two t/o. Now tell me MR ain't a coach kilia...with the criticism Quinn is facing at 6-2 I think the opinion that MR is a "coach killa" when his first coach got 7 years setting franchise records left and right and the "criticism" Quinn is facing at 6-2 is largely coming from pessimists who think the Falcons ought to win the Super Bowl every year or they suck is……well, there isn't a nice way to say it. It's stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 So did we get another 3rd down because it wasn't a turnover? No, and we didn't get one because it was a sack either. In other words, what are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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