Oldskooler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I don't think you understand. The ball was literally snapped to the ground.It would be like thinking Ryan's it was more on the WR than Ryan.The fumbled snap was ENTIRELY on Person. Go watch a replay of it and you'll see.Wouldn't do any good if he did.He either is unwilling or incapable of understanding the actual situation. He might even be unwilling AND incapable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons&Dawgs#1Fan Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Does the OP know Matt ran this scheme at Boston College well not this exact scheme (ZBS) but a very similar west coast offense and he ran the he11 outta it, he shredded the number 1 ranked college defense that season (Virginia Tech) his senior year in their bowl game. The scheme is not the problem all these phucking stupid a$$ turnovers are! I don't give a dam who you are the Patriots, the Bronco's the Packers the Bengals or any other team you can't constantly turn the ball over and win in the NFL. Look we have a hellva team, but we are beating ourselves, both of our losses this season are due to us turning the ball over the Aint's and the Succ's didn't beat us we beat ourselves. We had almost 500 yds of offense to the Buc's 200, we had over 40 mins in time of possession, we beat the Buc's in every category except turnovers and final score! Offense is not the problem TURNOVERS are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Wouldn't do any good if he did.He either is unwilling or incapable of understanding the actual situation. He might even be unwilling AND incapable.chill out Kidd. No need for the personal attacks. Time to grow up and realize people disagree. And there is no reason for acting like a child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 I don't think you understand. The ball was literally snapped to the ground.It would be like thinking Ryan's int was more on the WR than Ryan.The fumbled snap was ENTIRELY on Person. Go watch a replay of it and you'll see. where did you get that I'm trying to say that first fumble was Ryan fault??? I said the other two were several times in this thread. And again. This is all beside the point. So why even argue this that someone else brought up??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Does the OP know Matt ran this scheme at Boston College well not this exact scheme (ZBS) but a very similar west coast offense and he ran the he11 outta it, he shredded the number 1 ranked college defense that season (Virginia Tech) his senior year in their bowl game. The scheme is not the problem all these phucking stupid a$$ turnovers are! I don't give a dam who you are the Patriots, the Bronco's the Packers the Bengals or any other team you can't constantly turn the ball over and win in the NFL. Look we have a hellva team, but we are beating ourselves, both of our losses this season are due to us turning the ball over the Aint's and the Succ's didn't beat us we beat ourselves. We had almost 500 yds of offense to the Buc's 200, we had over 40 mins in time of possession, we beat the Buc's in every category except turnovers and final score! Offense is not the problem TURNOVERS are!And I'll not saying good butterfingers are the point here. Yes it sucks. But I'm saying he is still good BuT he does not fit this scheme.Point is he does not thrive in this scheme. He is still good. But he did better when he can call audibles and pick defenses apart. He know has to lock onto a player and throw into triple coverage, regardless white is wide open. Used to be would lick his chops when Roddy or Julio was one on one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold4425 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 We were 6-1 but all over this town people are pissed off at MR and the FO in general? A few years ago some wanted him replaced by Dom. Davis? We are playing with 2 OL's Guards that their teams wanted to give away, a C who has never started at Center before. A tackle who was a late bloomer UDFA. Matthews being the only highly regarded pick. With the exception of J J we have no home run threat. Granted we have played better then expected but Shanny needs to be able to adjust. I'll take MR any day. MR hasn't been perfect most QB's or players aren't. I bet some of you who are so pissed off at MR or the Falcons aren't perfect at your job either. We were 6-1 and this town was in gloom last week. But is it some fans fault that put this team up there with the likes of the Patriots and Bronco's? There is work to do but this is a big improvement over the last 2 years and I just wish we could get behind the team instead of the Falcons having to explain how or why this or that is not going right every week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 We were 6-1 but all over this town people are pissed off at MR and the FO in general? A few years ago some wanted him replaced by Dom. Davis? We are playing with 2 OL's Guards that their teams wanted to give away, a C who has never started at Center before. A tackle who was a late bloomer UDFA. Matthews being the only highly regarded pick. With the exception of J J we have no home run threat. Granted we have played better then expected but Shanny needs to be able to adjust. I'll take MR any day. MR hasn't been perfect most QB's or players aren't. I bet some of you who are so pissed off at MR or the Falcons aren't perfect at your job either. We were 6-1 and this town was in gloom last week. But is it some fans fault that put this team up there with the likes of the Patriots and Bronco's? There is work to do but this is a big improvement over the last 2 years and I just wish we could get behind the team instead of the Falcons having to explain how or why this or that is not going right every week. I never heard anyone ever ever say to replace him by Dominique Davis. Ever. And yes people are upset. Who cares what you are. Because let's face it we have beaten horrible teams. And we barely beat them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 And I'll not saying good butterfingers are the point here. Yes it sucks. But I'm saying he is still good BuT he does not fit this scheme.Point is he does not thrive in this scheme. He is still good. But he did better when he can call audibles and pick defenses apart. He know has to lock onto a player and throw into triple coverage, regardless white is wide open. Used to be would lick his chops when Roddy or Julio was one on one.That is an idiotic thing to say.Moronic.Do you even know what a WCO is? What skill set thrives in a WCO?Do you even know what Matt Ryan does well?You seem to know absolutely nothing about the WCO or Matt Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 That is an idiotic thing to say.Moronic.Do you even know what a WCO is? What skill set thrives in a WCO?Do you even know what Matt Ryan does well?You seem to know absolutely nothing about the WCO or Matt Ryan. yeah I know may looks better in the two old schemes here. When he called audibles and picked apart defenses. You like watching him throw to hardy on triple coverage and get picked off, while Roddy was wide open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durrtay Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 hey bird brains. By chance you see the two fumbles by him. Then another by a bad snap (not his fault. But it was low, but used to be he didn't have a problem.). And then he had an interception. 3-4 turnovers his fault. And in the red zone.The snap rolled on the ground. How could any qb not have a problem getting that snap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 The snap rolled on the ground. How could any qb not have a problem getting that snap? you should really read more comments..... Since you can pick this one you went a little far. So go a little bit further. You might figure out a thing or two. Heck just go back a page and read my comment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 yeah I know may looks better in the two old schemes here. When he called audibles and picked apart defenses.You like watching him throw to hardy on triple coverage and get picked off, while Roddy was wide open.The system has nothing to do with that.If you knew anything at all, you would know that.He is unfamiliar with the system. Who is where, and when.The WCO is a rhythmic, timing offense. He hasn't learned the timing yet. It typically takes more than a year. And every other QB that I remember seeing go through a transitional year has fared much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joremarid Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Fwiw peyton manning is going through it this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 The system has nothing to do with that.If you knew anything at all, you would know that.He is unfamiliar with the system. Who is where, and when.The WCO is a rhythmic, timing offense. He hasn't learned the timing yet. It typically takes more than a year. And every other QB that I remember seeing go through a transitional year has fared much worse. really. I watched a rookie look good on it. But the same coach. Rg3But yes it can grow on Ryan. But I believe he does better with the old schemes. He is not a runner, not takes hit, and hasn't shown where he can call audibles. Also just stick to talking football. No need in rude comments. Let's keep it civil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Fwiw peyton manning is going through it this year. looked good tonight. And he still calls good audiblesHope the best for Ryan. And I still think he looks good. But he just looks better in the two older scenes we had Edited November 2, 2015 by mashburn*Fibonacci Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) really. I watched a rookie look good on it. But the same coach. Rg3But yes it can grow on Ryan. But I believe he does better with the old schemes. He is not a runner, not takes hit, and hasn't shown where he can call audibles.Also just stick to talking football. No need in rude comments. Let's keep it civil.Perfect example of your profound and expansive ignorance. Shanahan ditched his typical offense and picked the brains of several college coaches to devise an offense specifically tailored to fit RG3. Lots of spread and read-option crap that NFL defensive coordinators are caught up to now.EDIT: I am being civil. As civil as you deserve, at least. You keep spouting the same ignorant, completely wrong, baseless nonsense. "He looked better in the old systems---". Well OF COURSE HE DID!!! He had been in that systems for YEARS!!! He's been in this system for a few months with extremely limited off season workout allowances mandated by the CBA. Stevie Wonder could see that it will take time to grow used to the WCO. You should be humiliated and ashamed that this so-very-obvious fact had to actually be explained to you. I feel like I am trying to teach Calculus to a lethargic Irish Setter. Edited November 2, 2015 by Oldskooler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Perfect example of your profound and expansive ignorance. Shanahan ditched his typical offense and picked the brains of several college coaches to devise an offense specifically tailored to fit RG3. Lots of spread and read-option crap that NFL defensive coordinators are caught up to now.EDIT: I am being civil. As civil as you deserve, at least. You keep spouting the same ignorant, completely wrong, baseless nonsense. "He looked better in the old systems---". Well OF COURSE HE DID!!! He had been in that systems for YEARS!!! He's been in this system for a few months with extremely limited off season workout allowances mandated by the CBA. Stevie Wonder could see that it will take time to grow used to the WCO. You should be humiliated and ashamed that this so-very-obvious fact had to actually be explained to you. I feel like I am trying to teach Calculus to a lethargic Irish Setter. he looked good his first game ever in the NFL while coming from college, While changing schemes completely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 The INT was 100% Matt's fault. He had Justin Hardy with no one covering him about 10-15 feet to the right of Tamme and he didn't see the wide open receiver. Instead he threw to a guy with 3 guys around him and one all over him.That's what I'm saying. Why do this and act like you have to force this into the wrong coverage? Is he just one sighted? You see soo many other guys open and this happens. Love the guy, but it's getting harder to take week by week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 That's what I'm saying. Why do this and act like you have to force this into the wrong coverage? Is he just one sighted? You see soo many other guys open and this happens. Love the guy, but it's getting harder to take week by week. ran out of likes... So +1. Because I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Old Pappy Falcon* Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 ran out of likes... So +1. Because I agreeWell thanks man. I ran outta likes after a messy divorce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 He no longer changes the plays up. He locks onto players. Show me a clip or point me to a video where he changed the play. Or where he looked at what was coming at him and told everyone else who was rushing in.He does audible. Where is this coming from? When he's lining guys up telling them to shift he's changing the play then. It's just not coming out of the same formation like it used to do. He absolutely still calls audibles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 A bad day?37/45, 82% completion rate. 397 Yards, 2 TDs, 1 INT. That 109 passer rating REALLY sucks. If that's a bad day, what do the numbers look like on a good day?Don't want a to rain on your parade but screw the stats I bet Ryan takes the W over any stats.A good day regardless of the #ers is a W.This for me is why yards and other such thingscan be very misleading at the end of the day who really cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBryan314 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Ryan does fit your scheme. Matt Ryan fits almost all schemes he is dropped into. He is a really good QB. But a really good QB isn't good enough to win much if you don't have a standout somewhere else.Flacco is good. But he had a historically great defense.Wilson was good, but again, defense, historically great.Matt Ryan, good. But where is the other piece? The piece that will give him a ring? Nowhere right now.Brees will win his second before Ryan wins his first. I think neither of those things will happen, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anewton Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 when your quarterback is not even sure he will actually going to get the ball off the snap.......game after game after game he is constantly having to check he actually got the ball off the snap and that understandably has got into his head and is affecting the offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joremarid Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 looked good tonight. And he still calls good audiblesHope the best for Ryan. And I still think he looks good. But he just looks better in the two older scenes we hadAnd Ryan has had games where he looks good in it too. Let it play out before we say he doesn't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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