FalconBlood23 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So i been wondering if anyone can post some stats on these 2 corners. I been hearing how great Norman is and everything but is he really that much better then Trufant? I dont have a subscription to all these stats websites and all so i was wondering if yall can help me out and we can determine who the number 1 corner in the NFC South really is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So i been wondering if anyone can post some stats on these 2 corners. I been hearing how great Norman is and everything but is he really that much better then Trufant? I dont have a subscription to all these stats websites and all so i was wondering if yall can help me out and we can determine who the number 1 corner in the NFC South really is!! He actually gets tested because the middle of the field isn't wide open, and as far as I know he follows the #1 receiver around. People say Tru is the main reason teams aren't throwing to his side, but I'm thinking its a combination of that and the fact that the middle of the field, medium and down, is usually wide open Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Don't think Trus allowed a touchdown, so he has that on Norman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The stats will mostly not line up in Tru's favour because Norman's a playmaker type (ala Sherman) whereas Tru is a shutdown. Tru has better coverage, Norman gives up more plays but also makes more plays as far as INT's and such go. *shrugs*I'd be more likely to compare Norman to Alf, their playstyles are more similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Norman has INTs.neither allowed a TD yet. Norman would have allowed a TD a few minutes ago if Bradford would have pulled the trigger early Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The stats will mostly not line up in Tru's favour because Norman's a playmaker type (ala Sherman) whereas Tru is a shutdown. Tru has better coverage, Norman gives up more plays but also makes more plays as far as INT's and such go. *shrugs*I'd be more likely to compare Norman to Alf, their playstyles are more similar. Like some posters have said, Tru is starting to look like Nnamdi. Although I'm not sure if Tru will have an 8 int year like he did, both are lockdown corners who will get one or two targets, maybe even none a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Just wondering, is that two straight shutouts by Tru? Fourth on the season if it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconBlood23 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 The stats will mostly not line up in Tru's favour because Norman's a playmaker type (ala Sherman) whereas Tru is a shutdown. Tru has better coverage, Norman gives up more plays but also makes more plays as far as INT's and such go. *shrugs*I'd be more likely to compare Norman to Alf, their playstyles are more similar. Yeah I see what youre saying. Its like comparing apples and oranges, both are good in what they do. Its just sad to see that Tru never gets any attention even though he is shutting people down. Norman is the #1 rated CB, but Trufant finds it hard to get the numbers when the ball is not thrown at him.Basically Trufant is Revis and Norman is closer to Alford like Lornoth said, maybe a straight line comparison wouldnt show everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconBlood23 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Norman has INTs.neither allowed a TD yet. Norman would have allowed a TD a few minutes ago if Bradford would have pulled the trigger earlyActually Norman has allowed 1 TD, they showed the stats on the Sunday Night graphics so Tru has him beat on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yeah I see what youre saying. Its like comparing apples and oranges, both are good in what they do. Its just sad to see that Tru never gets any attention even though he is shutting people down. Basically Trufant is Revis and Norman is closer to Alford like Lornoth said, maybe a straight line comparison wouldnt show everything. Revis gets INTs though, as evident by this season where I think he's got 3 already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Actually Norman has allowed 1 TD, they showed the stats on the Sunday Night graphics so Tru has him beat on that. I stand corrected Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconBlood23 Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 Revis gets INTs though, as evident by this season where I think he's got 3 already.Hmmm that maybe because Revis is actually thrown at? Tru did return a fumble for a TD ...that counts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 The stats will mostly not line up in Tru's favour because Norman's a playmaker type (ala Sherman) whereas Tru is a shutdown. Tru has better coverage, Norman gives up more plays but also makes more plays as far as INT's and such go. *shrugs*I'd be more likely to compare Norman to Alf, their playstyles are more similar. Norman gives up more plays because he follows the #1 and teams can't afford to just ignore the outside like they can against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Hmmm that maybe because Revis is actually thrown at? Tru did return a fumble for a TD ...that countsKinda, but that's against the run and not pass. Think revis may be getting targeted cuz he's older now and some QBs may think he's lost a step. Edited October 26, 2015 by Atlantafan21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monteg1026 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 So i been wondering if anyone can post some stats on these 2 corners. I been hearing how great Norman is and everything but is he really that much better then Trufant? I dont have a subscription to all these stats websites and all so i was wondering if yall can help me out and we can determine who the number 1 corner in the NFC South really is!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Norman gives up more plays because he follows the #1 and teams can't afford to just ignore the outside like they can against us.Not sure I agree with that reasoning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Not sure I agree with that reasoning.Not seeing where you'd disagree but ok. I guess the middle of the field is wide open in Carolina like it is here, and Norman doesn't follow the #1 receiver around? Same thing happened when people argued about Revis and Aso... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Teams are challenging Norman. They aren't challenging Tru. Here is a bit from Grantland's Thursday Picks:Quinn’s new star pupil is Trufant, and like he did with Sherman, Quinn is keeping Trufant at home, and other teams are terrified to throw in his direction. If you split an NFL field up horizontally into five zones, the most frequently trafficked zone is the right sideline: 25.7 percent of passes have gone there this season; no other zone is above 22.6 percent. Can you guess which defense is seeing the smallest percentage of passes thrown against it heading to the right sideline? Sure enough, it’s Atlanta, at a league-low 17.1 percent.How can he prove he is the best if no one even tries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantafan21 Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Teams are challenging Norman. They aren't challenging Tru. Here is a bit from Grantland's Thursday Picks:How can he prove he is the best if no one even tries.And probably 5% of that 17.1% has been against Tru. That might even be lower actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngbloodz Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Yeah I see what youre saying. Its like comparing apples and oranges, both are good in what they do. Its just sad to see that Tru never gets any attention even though he is shutting people down. Basically Trufant is Revis and Norman is closer to Alford like Lornoth said, maybe a straight line comparison wouldnt show everything. Norman is better than Alford. He is like Sherman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Not seeing where you'd disagree but ok. I guess the middle of the field is wide open in Carolina like it is here, and Norman doesn't follow the #1 receiver around? Same thing happened when people argued about Revis and Aso...Those are facts, not necessarily reasons for your assertion though. You're acting as if Tru would get folded up if he followed #1 receivers around. I don't believe that to be the case; he shuts down the guy across from him whether it's the #1 or not, and no matter the state of the rest of the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quotemokc Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Trufant isnt a prick tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Those are facts, not necessarily reasons for your assertion though. You're acting as if Tru would get folded up if he followed #1 receivers around. I don't believe that to be the case; he shuts down the guy across from him whether it's the #1 or not, and no matter the state of the rest of the field.No, I'm saying he wouldn't average 2 attempts at him a game if he played the #1 receiver and QBs didn't have easy completions elsewhere on the field. You asserted he had better coverage than Norman because Norman gives up plays...there hasn't been a corner who follows a #1 around that hasn't given up plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 No, I'm saying he wouldn't average 2 attempts at him a game if he played the #1 receiver and QBs didn't have easy completions elsewhere on the field. You asserted he had better coverage than Norman because Norman gives up plays...there hasn't been a corner who follows a #1 around that hasn't given up plays.Nah that's not why, that's just a result. Norman baits QB's, because he's looking for the big play. A lot of CB's do that, it's a style of play, sometimes it pays off with INT's, sometimes it doesn't and they give up a big play. Tru isn't that type of player. Tru doesn't go for the big play, he doesn't bait QB's, he just stays in the back pocket of WR's and breaks up the pass if they decide to throw into his tight coverage. Tru, by design, has better coverage than Norman. Norman plays it looser and gets the big plays because of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 Nah that's not why, that's just a result. Norman baits QB's, because he's looking for the big play. A lot of CB's do that, it's a style of play, sometimes it pays off with INT's, sometimes it doesn't and they give up a big play. Tru isn't that type of player. Tru doesn't go for the big play, he doesn't bait QB's, he just stays in the back pocket of WR's and breaks up the pass if they decide to throw into his tight coverage. Tru, by design, has better coverage than Norman. Norman plays it looser and gets the big plays because of it.This sounds like when people made a narrative about Asante and ignored the years he'd shut his man down but still call him just a big play corner...Norman hasn't been gambling and giving up big plays like you say this year...I didn't pay attention to him last year, so maybe that's where the narrative comes from.Look up most attempts by coverage stats and Norman is in the top 3 or 5...last time I saw yards against him he was near the top of the league in that too, albeit that was before the bye. He plays off because he's big as sh!t and has a wider range of coverage than Tru. Look at the game winning pick against NO as example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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