DMT11 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Were 5 games before this game and at least Quinn said what happened on some of this pressure - we had been holding up extremely well - but the zone blocking is scheme and teams can break it down and "break" it - lots more teams use it now, but thats more out of a necessity and how hard it is to get great olinemen that can play straight up - which is what Mike Smith tried to do and many others teams try. Either way - with Stone IM assuming not calling the right protections communication broke down and we just got whooped. ITs crappy cuz you cant do anything about it and now the tape is out there - Matt is going to be hit when he drops back much more frequently going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ovie_Lover Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Then why was the run game fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DMT11 Posted October 16, 2015 Author Share Posted October 16, 2015 the run game was better because they seemed to maintain that part of the scheme better but the Def line can watch when we are going to pass block and if they know the weaknesses they can go in - but the run game wasnt like it was before, it was decent but not dominating - Person being out is not good - well see if weere able to go back to pass blocking better once he gets back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronHead34 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The O had some issues last night, sure. The big thing is, the D cant seem to handle passes underneath. We can get dinked and dunked to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 It wasn't broken down, they just blocked like lazy men. How many times did you see Ryan get hit, while Chester or Matthews we standing there like witnesses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronHead34 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 It wasn't broken down, they just blocked like lazy men. How many times did you see Ryan get hit, while Chester or Matthews we standing there like witnesses?On one of the hits, I saw Matthews come off his guy and turn to stop another. He got wrapped up and then Matt got sacked by the guy Matthews left. I could not figure that one out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Not buying it. We were too pass happy and did not commit to the run. Yes, Stones poor play was a factor but the saints lost their LT and still attacked our weakness which is the middle of the field covering the tight end. If we had stayed committed to the run which was working it would have taken pressure off Matt Ryan and we wouldn't have been in so many obvious passing situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Falcon Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 We held the ball too long for the protection, but without all-22 you can't tell what we were trying to do. Was Matt trying to hang in too long for deep routes or were we not doing enough intermediate routes or were WR just not getting separation? A lot of times Mart had decent time but didn't fling it, then tried to scramble to extend - not his strong suit - and got chased down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) We held the ball too long for the protection, but without all-22 you can't tell what we were trying to do. Was Matt trying to hang in too long for deep routes or were we not doing enough intermediate routes or were WR just not getting separation?A lot of times Mart had decent time but didn't fling it, then tried to scramble to extend - not his strong suit - and got chased down.Matt decides where he is going with the ball pre-snap, when that's taking away he struggles to come off the read. Right now, Matt needs everything to work right in order to be successful, perfect pocket, strong running game, stout defense. It's rare that a team has everything working right, Brady got sacked five times against the Cowboys then proceeded to carve them up like a turkey. Matt is not comfortable running this offense like Brady is so let's ride with Freeman who is playing like the best running back in football. Stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Edited October 16, 2015 by insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper72 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Both lines got whipped. That's still our weakness.And when your OL is getting whipped, if the D takes away the short routes, the QB doesn't have time to find his other routes. That's a whole lot of what happened yesterday.If Matt has Brees time in the pocket , we win walking away.If Brees has Matt's time in the pocket, we win walking away. You can't give their QB all day, and have yours hassled all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Both lines got whipped. That's still our weakness.And when your OL is getting whipped, if the D takes away the short routes, the QB doesn't have time to find his other routes. That's a whole lot of what happened yesterday.If Matt has Brees time in the pocket , we win walking away.If Brees has Matt's time in the pocket, we win walking away. You can't give their QB all day, and have yours hassled all day.Brees easily side stepped pressure on many occasions. It's easy to play the IF game, like IF Brees had a running back running like Freeman they would have put up 40 points. I'm not saying your completely wrong, it just seems like Ryan needs everything around him to be perfect in order to win. Brees lost his starting LT last night and their team is struggling to but he found a way to get it done. Edited October 16, 2015 by insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Brees easily side stepped pressure on many occasions. It's easy to play the IF game, like IF Brees had a running back running like Freeman they would have put up 40 points. I'm not saying your completely wrong, it just seems like Ryan needs everything around him to be perfect in order to win. Brees lost his starting LT last night and their team is struggling to but he found a way to get it done. I'm always pretty firmly in the camp that a QB needs time more than anything. More important than receivers, more important that most.The run game helps QBs because it gives them time (because the D can't assume it's a pass.) When it doesn't give them time, it's not of much benefit. Ryan played a horrible game last week. Dreadful. This week, he was a QB harassed constantly, and they don't perform well.We occasionally had one lineman get toward Brees. He simply had to take one step and then he had a clean pocket. That's why pressure from multiple spots is so critical. Whereas, our entire interior was collapsing. Until we can get pressure on QBs, and provide ours with some time...we have a firm ceiling to how good we can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Rob Ryan baited us pretty good too. He kept showing 8-9 in the box and then ended up with good coverage for the pass. I think we checked away from run based on the pre-snap look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 You can't just put in any old center and expect the pass blocking to be fine especially when you are turning the ball over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons Rage Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 One single problem. We did not run the ball enough. That's it. Had we run it more we would have won. We were eating there lunch on the ground. Don't stop doing things until they make the adjustment. Then when they make the adjustment you counter. Outthink there selves One single problem. We did not run the ball enough. That's it. Had we run it more we would have won. We were eating there lunch on the ground. Don't stop doing things until they make the adjustment. Then when they make the adjustment you counter. Outthink there selves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UGABOZ Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Matt decides where he is going with the ball pre-snap, when that's taking away he struggles to come off the read. Right now, Matt needs everything to work right in order to be successful, perfect pocket, strong running game, stout defense. It's rare that a team has everything working right, Brady got sacked five times against the Cowboys then proceeded to carve them up like a turkey. Matt is not comfortable running this offense like Brady is so let's ride with Freeman who is playing like the best running back in football. Stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. great point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Even Bleed Red Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The Falcon's OLmen are buncha pu$sies that didn't show up in the only game that mattered this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Both lines got whipped. That's still our weakness.And when your OL is getting whipped, if the D takes away the short routes, the QB doesn't have time to find his other routes. That's a whole lot of what happened yesterday.If Matt has Brees time in the pocket , we win walking away.If Brees has Matt's time in the pocket, we win walking away. You can't give their QB all day, and have yours hassled all day.Sopt on, coupled with 3 turnovers (essentially 4 with a blocked punt for a TD) and a turnover on downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 The O had some issues last night, sure. The big thing is, the D cant seem to handle passes underneath. We can get dinked and dunked to death.welcome to cove 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Matt decides where he is going with the ball pre-snap, when that's taking away he struggles to come off the read. Right now, Matt needs everything to work right in order to be successful, perfect pocket, strong running game, stout defense. It's rare that a team has everything working right, Brady got sacked five times against the Cowboys then proceeded to carve them up like a turkey. Matt is not comfortable running this offense like Brady is so let's ride with Freeman who is playing like the best running back in football. Stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Simply not true.Matt had a horrible game against the Redskins but when his team needed him he went 8 of 8 with a run mixed in there and what should have been the game winning drive. Matt played well last night when he had more than 2 seconds to distribute the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) I'm always pretty firmly in the camp that a QB needs time more than anything. More important than receivers, more important that most.The run game helps QBs because it gives them time (because the D can't assume it's a pass.) When it doesn't give them time, it's not of much benefit. Ryan played a horrible game last week. Dreadful. This week, he was a QB harassed constantly, and they don't perform well.We occasionally had one lineman get toward Brees. He simply had to take one step and then he had a clean pocket. That's why pressure from multiple spots is so critical. Whereas, our entire interior was collapsing. Until we can get pressure on QBs, and provide ours with some time...we have a firm ceiling to how good we can be.I agree with you. Brees would have struggled if we could collapse the pocket but you can't collapse the pocket is you always leave the TE wide open. The offense couldn't get out it's own way and which put tremendous pressure on the defense.My MAIN issue with the Falcons is lack of identity. The saints offensive identity revolves around Drew Brees slinging the ball across the field and Peyton coming up with new ways to get guys open.The Falcons went on a unprecedented run under Smitty, Ryan etc when we had a solid run game and sliced teams up with play action.Since the loss to Greenbay in the playoffs we have been fixated on relying on Matt Ryan to pass the ball to setup the run. I could understand when the run game was in decline but we currently have the best running back in football and refuse to fully unitize this advantage. I believe embracing the fact we are a running team will only allow Ryan to elevate his game and really pick up this new offense. Edited October 16, 2015 by insight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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