Sheldon Cooper 623 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I dont ever want a CB drafted in the first 3 rds that cant tackle or change directions. How can he ever mirror or stay in the hip pocket if he cant change directions? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Falcon 9,264 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 HOYER HAS BEEN A STARTER!!! What is hard for you to understand about that??? I answered the question. You're dancing around the issue to make sure you make Collins look like mud but HOYER HAS BEEN A STARTER!! He has starts. He had the Browns on a playoff run until he got hurt then it went downhill. So again, what does him being the backup for the Texans have to do with him playing straight backups when he's been a starter??Hoyer is backup because he couldn't cut it. I don't care about his "18 starts", just like I don't care about Collins "10 starts". Either they have it or they don't. And neither one (Collins or Hoyer) has it for their positions they play. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,987 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Not the hardest if you know the techniques. Either you have them or you don't. Talent only takes you so far, especially in the BIG TIME. That's why a lot of folks end up in the CFL or playing Semi-pro. ;-)It is the hardest. Even with great technique. You're the only person I've ever heard say that corner isn't the second hardest position on the field. And that's out of the mouths of some all time greats like Deion Sanders. If it's not the second hardest position behind quarterback what is?? You have to be on the best shape to run with a those fast wr's, you have to know different techniques, you have to be probably the most athletic on the field. It's a super hard position. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,987 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Hoyer is backup because he couldn't cut it. I don't care about his "18 starts", just like I don't care about Collins "10 starts". Either they have it or they don't. And neither one (Collins or Hoyer) has it for their positions they play.So hoyers experience doesn't matter??? Going against a rookie??? LMAO!!! Ok I'm done. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Falcon 9,264 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 It is the hardest. Even with great technique. You're the only person I've ever heard say that corner isn't the second hardest position on the field. And that's out of the mouths of some all time greats like Deion Sanders. If it's not the second hardest position behind quarterback what is?? You have to be on the best shape to run with a those fast wr's, you have to know different techniques, you have to be probably the most athletic on the field. It's a super hard position.So, it's hard now because you have to be in shape? Uhhh....ok. Hmmmm.......I do think you have to be in shape playing WR, RB, LB. and what do position I think is the 2nd hardest? Try playing MLB where you have to direct EVERYONE to get in the right position on what you see before the QB hikes the ball. The MLB is the QB of the defense, not the CB. So, by YOUR theory, if QB is the most hardest position to play, then MLB is 2nd since he's the QB of the defense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Duff_Man 12,059 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 This is really premature.But hey, why be patient with guys? Like AFMB hero Brent Grimes who took years to develop. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Falcon 9,264 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 So hoyers experience doesn't matter??? Going against a rookie??? LMAO!!! Ok I'm done.his experience? Where did his experience get him? As a backup on a team that desparately needs a QB. If his experience was so great, he would be starting ahead of sorry a.ss Mallet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gnorts 131 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 You guys realize Collins is one injury away from playing, right? shut... Your... Mouth... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gazoo 20,669 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 With only 10 starts in college, he really need this game time action to keep working on his game.I'm excited to see if he makes a huge jump after another training camp next year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Falcon 9,264 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 For me it wasn't technique. I just struggled because of the routes recievers ran. Slants and flats were easy.. But it was the outs, digs, comebacks, curls, and the post routes that I just could not cover. I played at the fcs level so I wasn't that great lol but man.. The position was hard.Not saying it's not hard Reggie. Playing football is hard within itself. Yeah, I've been thrown off by outs and ups, and corner routes. I guess that's why I was moved closer to the line. But take it from me (who's hips were just as stiff as Collins), if you have it, you have it. If you don't, you don't. Collins is not a CB. Maybe a SS, but not a CB. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
THEHEADCOACH 3,350 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Let me ask you this? If Matt Ryan and Julio was playing against a whole defense of backups with a rookie corner and a converted 2nd year corner what do you think the outcome would be? Do you think those young players would stop Matt and Julio? Serious question. I don't care if it was a first rounder. I don't care if it was Trufant as a rookie do you really think trufant would stop Matt Ryan and Julio jones while playing with 10 other backups??? Be honest!!If the answer is no then it's no different for Collins playing with all backups against all starters.Bingo....right on point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,987 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 For me it wasn't technique. I just struggled because of the routes recievers ran. Slants and flats were easy.. But it was the outs, digs, comebacks, curls, and the post routes that I just could not cover. I played at the fcs level so I wasn't that great lol but man.. The position was hard.That's hard for anybody man. I played corner too and I ran a 4.3 and was super quick. It's still the second hardest position on the field because of all it asks you to do. PERIOD!! Not only do you face great receivers you have to play chess with masterful quarterbacks. It's Marie than just having great technique and speed. You have to bring your brain to the game. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Falcon 9,264 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 That's hard for anybody man. I played corner too and I ran a 4.3 and was super quick. It's still the second hardest position on the field because of all it asks you to do. PERIOD!! Not only do you face great receivers you have to play chess with masterful quarterbacks. It's Marie than just having great technique and speed. You have to bring your brain to the game.LOL!!!! Dude, that's football. You don't think the LBs are playing chess out there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hokies&Falcons 138 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 With only 10 starts in college, he really need this game time action to keep working on his game.I'm excited to see if he makes a huge jump after another training camp next year.I'm not counting the guy out, but I have been wondering all along why we drafted someone who was only good enough to start 10 games in College in the first place... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Falcon 9,264 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I didn't have it lol.. But I knew I was never gonna be an NFL player.. But Collins does look bad. But he's still better than me lolBetter than me too Reggie. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Falcon 9,264 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 FB, let me ask you this. Have you EVER played LB? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gazoo 20,669 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I'm not counting the guy out, but I have been wondering all along why we drafted someone who was only good enough to start 10 games in College in the first place... do you are assuming he didn't play becuase he wasn't any good. Do you know, for instance, who played in front of him? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flying Falcon 9,264 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 4.3? Holy crap! You would have been the fastest player on our team when I was in college! If I remember correctly.. I think I ran a 4.5 something.. I was 5'10 170. I wish I was that athletically gifted lolI ran a 4.5 too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sheldon Cooper 623 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 While we are at it, Adams was punished today late too. I guess it is possible that the secondary was exposed late by limited pass rush with Goodman and others on the DL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,987 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 FB, let me ask you this. Have you EVER played LB?Nah, I was too small. 5'7 160 as a senior in high school. Played RB, WR, CB, and returned punts and kicks. Started at RB. The most I've ever weighed was 203. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falconsd56 25,769 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 People in this thread are the reason we do not have nice things Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,987 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 People in this thread are the reason we do not have nice thingsWhy do you say that? Lol Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brown bomber 279 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Can anybody explain to me how he looked improved today over preseason. He is a mess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CaliFalconFan02 87 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) I am not saying collins didn't struggle today but are we going to act like hopkins isn't one of the NFL's better WR? If you gave him a half decent O-Line and QB he would be a top 10 maybe top 5 WR and when their offense is facing almost all backups it is a half decent O-line and QB. Edited October 4, 2015 by CaliFalconFan02 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TheFatboi 28,987 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Southward is just as bad imo. I don't know how he made the teamI think we're good at corner for a few years. Tru and Alf are our main guys and the other guys are nickel and dime guys. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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