gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Although they have similar roles, Abraham outweighed Beasley by 20 pounds. Beasley probably has similar upper body strength, but the extra weight over an entire season could have contributed to Abraham's consistency and longevity. Time will tell. I think Beasley has better Coaches guiding his early career. Ted Cottrell Abraham's coordinator the 1st few seasons in NY is considered to be an average Defensive Coordinator...... although Charger fans would vehemently disagree.Excellent point, best one I've seen to counter my opinion. I agree with you that will be one of test he would need to overcome to have any chance to be better or even as good as Abraham. Von Miller, who Rab Rang compared Beasely to, is only 250lbs and has overcome this, but Beasley is untested in this area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 What's funny is that I don't think Beasley gets double digit sacks only because teams are so scared of him already. Think about how many deep shots teams have taken... Can't get there on three step drops. He and Trufant make it hard for teams to get the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 What's funny is that I don't think Beasley gets double digit sacks only because teams are so scared of him already. Think about how many deep shots teams have taken... Can't get there on three step drops. He and Trufant make it hard for teams to get the time.That s a great point vel. So far Beasley has 2 sacks against the top LTs in the NFL and QBs have been sinking and dunking on us. You know darn well OCs are watching that film thinking " we gotta stop this guy" which could make things harder on him.If our defense tightens up as I think it will, and if our offense continues to rack up points as I think it will, it may put teams in the same situation Matt Ryan has been in for years, having to pass to have any chance of beating us. If this happens he may get an opportunity to feast on far less talented LTs than he's already faced.It's fun to ponder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macintez Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Beasley still has a ways to go before he's a top rusher. If he reaches his potential he will be devastating. I'm not crowning him yet tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernscot Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I it just me or does Beasley have the explosiveness that everyone said Clowney was supposed to have when he was drafted #1 last year? It's kinda fitting given that we play Houston tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I it just me or does Beasley have the explosiveness that everyone said Clowney was supposed to have when he was drafted #1 last year? It's kinda fitting given that we play Houston tomorrow. the clammoring on this message board for Clowney was epic. I swear, so many here were intoxicated with his skill set and it's all they could talk about. Trade entire draft it was worth it, once in a lifetime player etc. We instead for Jake Mathews last year and then Vic Beasley. Awesome Mathews will line up across from Clowney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southernscot Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I'd venture to say that even after just 3 games, Beasley is already better than Clowney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Even Bleed Red Posted October 4, 2015 Author Share Posted October 4, 2015 We'll find out how good Clowney is tomorrow. Man, this post got emotional. Wasn't my intent lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 the clammoring on this message board for Clowney was epic. I swear, so many here were intoxicated with his skill set and it's all they could talk about. Trade entire draft it was worth it, once in a lifetime player etc. We instead for Jake Mathews last year and then Vic Beasley. Awesome Mathews will line up across from Clowney.Your homerism is showing above, Gazoo. You just RIGHFULLY defended Jake Matthews in another thread for his lack of production his rookie year, due to injury - now you are crapping on Clowney for the same thing.I find it humorous that you and others have already buried Jadeveon Clowney's career when he barely played at all last year and looks decent so far this year coming off the very serious microfracture surgery fo his knee.Clowney's career has just barely begun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Your homerism is showing above, Gazoo. You just RIGHFULLY defended Jake Matthews in another thread for his lack of production his rookie year, due to injury - now you are crapping on Clowney for the same thing.I find it humorous that you and others have already buried Jadeveon Clowney's career when he barely played at all last year and looks decent so far this year coming off the very serious microfracture surgery fo his knee.Clowney's career has just barely begun.Clowney would've been crowned the GOAT after he forced Baker into retirement And then of course we'd have some bs excuse as to why he hasn't amassed a single sack yet if he were a FalconYou know how it works Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Gazoo is one of the biggest homers on this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Your homerism is showing above, Gazoo. You just RIGHFULLY defended Jake Matthews in another thread for his lack of production his rookie year, due to injury - now you are crapping on Clowney for the same thing.I find it humorous that you and others have already buried Jadeveon Clowney's career when he barely played at all last year and looks decent so far this year coming off the very serious microfracture surgery fo his knee.Clowney's career has just barely begun.Where did I crap on Clowney or predict his future negatively? All I know is he hasn't done jack yet, Beasleys had a more productive career in 3 games than Clowney in 19. Mathews played all last year on one leg but he played. I was talking about the Clownettes in my post, not Clowney.I did say I'm glad he's lining up across from Mathews, should be an interesting matchup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Gazoo is one of the biggest homers on this site.President/CEO/VP/Assistant Regional Manager/CFO/Secretary all in one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Duff man, you've known me for over a decade and you know I like to stir the pot, but I assure you, my opinion that Beasley could be better than Abe is not intended to stir the pot, I sincerely believe this based on what I've seen in his phenomenal skill set and athletic ability going up,against the best LTs in the NFL.I really don't understand why anyone would have a negative response to this opinion, I just don't get it. I loved them both, and am excited to have Beasley here, so that's all beside the point. The only thing I can think that is causing this, is some think by me saying this I'm slighting Abe, which couldn't be further from the truth.Since many pundits, exp players and ex coaches compare rookies and draftees to the very best players in NFL at their respective positions all the time, there has to be some psychology behind me doing it that sends people in the orbit that I just don't understand.I think he could have a better Falcon career because the Falcons got him as a rookie. If he maintains and improves, then the team will keep him and he will have a stellar career. He looks like he may be the next Kerney at the least, so that is a great thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Beasley has the ability to be better then Abe. I think he already plays the run better than Abe did with us. He is in the perfect spot to have long term success. Not many players get to be drafted by their favorite team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Beasley has the ability to be better then Abe. I think he already plays the run better than Abe did with us. He is in the perfect spot to have long term success. Not many players get to be drafted by their favorite team.His rare ability to turn blinding speed into pure power is another asset that shows up in the running game as well as his pass rush. His 35 reps at combine were more than many offensive linemens reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andras Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Why is it all these outsiders can keep speaking so highly of Beasley, predict things like "double digit sacks for years to come" , rookie of the year, etc and I get slammed for suggesting I think he has potential to be even better than the awesome John Abraham? Because:Your evaluations are bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I don't think it's too soon to start comparing him though. Like I said earlier, Beasley is a millisecond from having a sack in each NFL game. He has insane speed off the edge. His stamina throughout the game and ability to continuously play at a different gear will only help once his technique catches up to his abilities.If he's doing this now against top lineman in the league, what will he be doing once he has more experience and better techniques? Plus he's played two multiple Pro-Bowlers and a Top rated Rookie Lineman. Why aren't folks excited about his potential instead of reminding everyone of the obvious, that he's got to continue to progress??He has the right attitude. Progress is easy when you have that mindset and the type of coaches we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Because:Your evaluations are bogus.I'm really upset that I never read this evaluationIf anyone has a summary or link I'd greatly appreciate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I'm really upset that I never read this evaluationIf anyone has a summary or link I'd greatly appreciate itI said about 1,000 times on this board that I wasn't sure if he would be a good player or a bust, but that I would give him into his 3rd season before declaring him a bust is a policy I have on most players we draft. ( I had it with Roddy and Kerney too)I had this statement in my signature during JA98s entire second season. I did post an article from the AJC where Chuck Smith said late in JA98s second season that Chuck Smith predicted JA98 was going to break out, but it was Chuck Smith who said that. Refusing to call someone a bust until they've played into their 3rd season is not an evaluation or a declaration they will not be a bust. I don't recall ever saying had good burst off the ball, that he was explosive or had good strength, never broke down his game, never compared him to an NFL great, never broke down his plays.Many fans wanted Patrick Kerney and Roddy White cut after their second seasons because they were convinced they were busts too. I said we needed to wait until their 3 seasons, and sure enough both exploded in their 3rd seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 I don't think it's too soon to start comparing him though. Like I said earlier, Beasley is a millisecond from having a sack in each NFL game. He has insane speed off the edge. His stamina throughout the game and ability to continuously play at a different gear will only help once his technique catches up to his abilities.If he's doing this now against top lineman in the league, what will he be doing once he has more experience and better techniques? Plus he's played two multiple Pro-Bowlers and a Top rated Rookie Lineman. Why aren't folks excited about his potential instead of reminding everyone of the obvious, that he's got to continue to progress??He has the right attitude. Progress is easy when you have that mindset and the type of coaches we have.Amen brother MD-FalconFan13. Notice as soon as I posted Jonathan Babineauxs quote where he compared him to John Abraham they all had to figure out a new line of attack? Now they rehash some already discredited talking point about ja98 that several posters here have already admitted is BS. My comparison of Beasley and Abe is sound, just as Babs comparison is of him. Just like you said, when you look at the skill set, the moves, the explosiveness, the power......up against the best LTs in the NFL, it's quite impressive.For Beasley to get a sack on the best LT in the NFL Smith, who's only given up 3 sacks in 2 seasons playing against several of the top pass rushers in the NFL, and the way he got it ( set him up by juking to inside, then blowing past him on outside) how can you not see the talent here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 How many seasons did it tak JA98 to get two sacks?The fact that he actually got picked up by another team once we cut him is what blows my mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Right, wasn't it the Colts?Yeah, and he actually played in 15 game with them! Ikes! JA98 was an epic bust, just as I stated after about 3- 4 games into his 3rd season. I had this same go around with Roddy White on this message board, string we needed to give him into his 3rd season before calling him a bust. 95% of the posters here had given up on Roddy and wanted him cut declaring him a bust and they were mocking me for refusing to hop on their bust bandwagon.The results? All Pro WR for a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Amen brother MD-FalconFan13. Notice as soon as I posted Jonathan Babineauxs quote where he compared him to John Abraham they all had to figure out a new line of attack? Now they rehash some already discredited talking point about ja98 that several posters here have already admitted is BS. My comparison of Beasley and Abe is sound, just as Babs comparison is of him. Just like you said, when you look at the skill set, the moves, the explosiveness, the power......up against the best LTs in the NFL, it's quite impressive.For Beasley to get a sack on the best LT in the NFL Smith, who's only given up 3 sacks in 2 seasons playing against several of the top pass rushers in the NFL, and the way he got it ( set him up by juking to inside, then blowing past him on outside) how can you not see the talent here?Yep and he's not playing all the snaps on defense either. His snaps are sure to increase as he gets better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mid-Nite-Toker Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Gazoo is one of the biggest homers on this site.Not sure you can call this homerism...optimistic trolling.I just think, so far, VBjr has been what I figured...the right fit for a pass rusher in our defensive scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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