AtlantaFalconPokerPro Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Jon Gruden was hard on Beasley during the MNF game. He can suck it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaschart Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 That's fine and all, but you didn't answer the question.Do you think Beasley has a chance to have a better rookie season that Abraham did?Yes. There's also a chance he trips over a labradoodle and is cut from the team. The world is his oyster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-FalconFan13 Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 John Abraham played only 6 games his rookie year but managed 4.5 sacks. The next year he exploded with 13. He follows that up with 10 sacks hood third year. I think Beasley gets at least 8 this year, but not sure about next year. 13 is alot of sacks. But they way Beasley is playing he can do it. He narrowly missed a sack in the Eagles game twice. A millisecond later on Bradford's throw and we're discussing how Beasley has a sack in each NFL game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 John Abraham played only 6 games his rookie year but managed 4.5 sacks. The next year he exploded with 13. He follows that up with 10 sacks hood third year. I think Beasley gets at least 8 this year, but not sure about next year. 13 is alot of sacks. But they way Beasley is playing he can do it. He narrowly missed a sack in the Eagles game twice. A millisecond later on Bradford's throw and we're discussing how Beasley has a sack in each NFL game.Thank you MD-FalconFan13, that's a great, honest response.I feel the same way, that based on what I'm seeing Beasley could, as in, it's possible based phenomenal athletic ability he has, that Beasley he could end up being even better than Abraham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 The issue here isn't me having an opinion, the issue is posters elevating certain players to beyond human. They deify certain players and therefore it's like comparing a mere mortal rookie to the son of God Jesus Christ to them. They come unhinged and attack me. Their argument is largely emotional.Sports pundits, draft analysts, scouts, GMs, previous NFL head coaches now up in the booth calling games, all these guys compare rookie draft picks to the best veteran players in the NFL. This happens all the time. Yet, when I do exactly the same thing I get personally attacked.John Abraham is not an NFL deity to me, he was a dam good player who our new draft pick Beasley compares to in many ways athletically and talent wise. My opinion is based on watching. Beasley lining up against the very best LTs in the NFL over his first 3 games and watching his various pass rush moves and watching how much like Abraham he looks turning the corner and strip sacking QBs.I stand by my opinion that I think Beasley has a chance at being a better player than even Abraham was based on his talent and skill set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Abe's rook year was not with the Falcons - it was with the Jets. I don't know nor do I car what Abe's rookie year numbers were.Beasley is off to a great start and I would love for Beasley to beat Abe's record or anyone else. I hope Beasley stays healthy and gets 14 sacks.Whatever optimistic and premature prediction you make about Beasley or any other Falcons player, coach or gm - I hope you are right - and then you can pull this thread back up and tell us how right you were and how the great gazoo predicted such greatness so early.Are you scared to answer the question? You certainly weren't scared to project gloom and doom on this team all throughout the offseason and during preseason based on comparing us to the other teams and concluding we would be worse than them, or predicting our OL was going to suck compared the the other NFL OLs. I'm sure you won't bump all of your premature predictions that turned out to be foolish upon further reflection. You see g-dawg, we both can play the unhinged premature prediction game. What you criticize me for, you do all the time here.This is a message board g-dawg, you are welcome to your opinions without being personally attacked, just as I am welcome to mine without being personally attacked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Are you scared to answer the question? You certainly weren't scared to project gloom and doom on this team all throughout the offseason and during preseason based on comparing us to the other teams and concluding we would be terrible, out OL was going to suck. I'm sure you won't bump all of your premature predictions that turned out to be foolish upon further reflection. You see g-dawg, we both can play the unhinged premature prediction game. What you criticize me for, you do all the time here.I'd think you'd have the cojones to provide an opinion on whether or not you think Beasley could possibly have a better rookie season than John Abraham did.You are acting like a diva. I am and always will be for the Falcons. Unlike you, I will call it like I see it on Falcons - as far as the offensive line, it was a trainwreck last year and this preseason and QuinnPiolioff knew it as well and that is why they made moves for Levitre and Long. Have they seemingly come together in our short sample size of three games? YES. Did they get better with Levitre in and Stone out at LG? YES Is Mike Person doing much better than everybody (including you) could have predicted - so far? YESI find your topics and posts incredibly annoying - you seem to think you are calling me out on Beasley vs. Abraham's rookie year - demanding some type of answer on who is better in rook year and like it proves anything - it does not! I sincerely hope Beasley does have a better career than Abe - that would be awesome. I do believe Beasley has potential to be great and I was thrilled when we selected him in the draft. So what is your point? You have none!I know you won't change and I am vlad you are a Falcons fan, like me, and you get excited about the Falcons - like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Who cares who is better? This team actually got to employ both of them. That's an enjoyable thing. If everything goes well, we'll be able to say we had both at the peak of their careers. That's a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Who cares who is better? This team actually got to employ both of them. That's an enjoyable thing. If everything goes well, we'll be able to say we had both at the peak of their careers. That's a good thing.Thank you. You cannot prove who is better even if you tried. What is the freaking point? Enjoy Beasley and his season that is off to a good start - when he has been in the NFL for three years, then we can start comparing him to some of the greats - as usual, this is gazoo bringing his premature ejack to TATF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 My point G-dawg, is that I have my opinions and you have yours. We based our opinions on comparisons and projections all the time. That's what we do here. Yet, you are belittling my opinion as if somehow yours are based on stronger comparisons and projections. They are not, they are our best guess at the time and we both can be wrong so stop being so dam hypocritical my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Thank you. You cannot prove who is better even if you tried. What is the freaking point? Enjoy Beasley and his season that is off to a good start - when he has been in the NFL for three years, then we can start comparing him to some of the greats - as usual, this is gazoo bringing his premature ejack to TATF.saying you believe someone *could* be better is not the same as saying some one *is* better. The difference between those two statements is enormous.Thus, we get to my opinion that Beasley could be better. Why does this bother anyone I feel this way? I could say same about your opinions, who cares if you think the team sucks lets just enjoy our new head coach Quinn's rookie season and see what happens.You just don't get it g-dawg, you do exactly the same thing I do, you can't seem to see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 My point G-dawg, is that I have my opinions and you have yours. We based our opinions on comparisons and projections all the time. That's what we do here. Yet, you are belittling my opinion as if somehow yours are based on stronger comparisons and projections. They are not, they are our best guess at the time and we both can be wrong so stop being so dam hypocritical my friend.Gazoo, I demand to know who is better Jake Matthews or Jonathan Ogden. Please reply immediately with proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Gazoo, I demand to know who is better Jake Matthews or Jonathan Ogden. Please reply immediately with proof.There you go with the *is* vs *could be * thing again. Totally different statements. If you have to distort my point it means you cannot argue it straight up.I think the real question is, especially coming from such a heavily opinionated poster such as yourself, why does my opinion bother you so much? I mean, really, what's up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 saying you believe someone *could* be better is not the same as saying some one *is* better. The difference between those two statements is enormous.Thus, we get to my opinion that Beasley could be better. Why does this bother anyone I feel this way? I could say same about your opinions, who cares if you think the team sucks lets just enjoy our new head coach Quinn's rookie season and see what happens.You just don't get it g-dawg, you do exactly the same thing I do, you can't seem to see this.Gazoo, I actually like you and what you bring to TATF - of course we all love to wax poetic about all things Falcons. I do like the draft and that is my thing and I do like to project who could be good to great players - however, once they are Falcons, I just like to sit back and see what they do - cheer them on or gripe, etc.Everyone of your topics lately is just over the top extrapolating playing careers of Julio and Beasley or enshrining Quinn into HOF. As to comparisons, those are fun for drafting purposes - even scouts, coaches and GMs play that game - but once they are on our team - lets stop with the weekly overanalysis - just my two cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Gazoo, I actually like you and what you bring to TATF - of course we all love to wax poetic about all things Falcons. I do like the draft and that is my thing and I do like to project who could be good to great players - however, once they are Falcons, I just like to sit back and see what they do - cheer them on or gripe, etc.Everyone of your topics lately is just over the top extrapolating playing careers of Julio and Beasley or enshrining Quinn into HOF. As to comparisons, those are fun for drafting purposes - even scouts, coaches and GMs play that game - but once they are on our team - lets stop with the weekly overanalysis - just my two cents.G-dawg, you know I love you and appreciate you. I assure you I'm being sincere, we need opinionated posters here to spark passionate debate.I don't know how Quinn will turn out yet and so far I love him and feel he was the best candidtate a aisle this offseason, but I have no idea how he'll do over the long term. With Beasley, I can visually see his talent, even. Babs who played next to Abe all those years compared Beasley to Abe. Is Babs over the top or over analyzing? I can't recall who it was, maybe Gil Brandt or Chuck Smith, but it was someone who visited teaning camp and said they had never seen anyone quicker off the snap that's Beasely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Who cares who is better? This team actually got to employ both of them. That's an enjoyable thing. If everything goes well, we'll be able to say we had both at the peak of their careers. That's a good thing.Duff man, you've known me for over a decade and you know I like to stir the pot, but I assure you, my opinion that Beasley could be better than Abe is not intended to stir the pot, I sincerely believe this based on what I've seen in his phenomenal skill set and athletic ability going up,against the best LTs in the NFL.I really don't understand why anyone would have a negative response to this opinion, I just don't get it. I loved them both, and am excited to have Beasley here, so that's all beside the point. The only thing I can think that is causing this, is some think by me saying this I'm slighting Abe, which couldn't be further from the truth.Since many pundits, exp players and ex coaches compare rookies and draftees to the very best players in NFL at their respective positions all the time, there has to be some psychology behind me doing it that sends people in the orbit that I just don't understand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Very interesting, here is a quote from Jonathan Babineaux comparing Vic Beasley to John Abrahamhttp://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/170248/atlanta-falcons-rookie-vic-beasley-makes-quick-first-impression"I kind of say he has that quick first step like Abe," Babineaux said, referring to former Falcon John Abraham. "He doesn't have that expertise yet as far as utilizing all his pass-rush moves, but the quick first step definitely reminds me of Abe."These comparisons are made ALL THE TIME. Don't tell me I can't compare the same player Babs compared him to who played next to him his entire time while here in Atlanta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 VIC BEASELY COMPARES TO: Von Miller, Denver Broncos: Like the 6-3, 246-pound Miller, Beasley does not possess the size and strength to set the edge consistently but few are better off it on their way to the quarterback.--Rob Rang, Derek StephensI don't recall anyone saying Rob Rang or Derek Stephens were over the top when they compared Vic Beasely to Von Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 G-dawg, you know I love you and appreciate you. I assure you I'm being sincere, we need opinionated posters here to spark passionate debate.I don't know how Quinn will turn out yet and so far I love him and feel he was the best candidtate a aisle this offseason, but I have no idea how he'll do over the long term. With Beasley, I can visually see his talent, even. Babs who played next to Abe all those years compared Beasley to Abe. Is Babs over the top or over analyzing? I can't recall who it was, maybe Gil Brandt or Chuck Smith, but it was someone who visited teaning camp and said they had never seen anyone quicker off the snap that's Beasely.That fine - I wish the above would have been your opening message. Like all of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitaman Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Although they have similar roles, Abraham outweighed Beasley by 20 pounds. Beasley probably has similar upper body strength, but the extra weight over an entire season could have contributed to Abraham's consistency and longevity. Time will tell. I think Beasley has better Coaches guiding his early career. Ted Cottrell Abraham's coordinator the 1st few seasons in NY is considered to be an average Defensive Coordinator...... although Charger fans would vehemently disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 That's fine and all, but you didn't answer the question.Do you think Beasley has a chance to have a better rookie season that Abraham did?Jabaal Sheard had a better rookie season than Abraham did.PS, it's not about you comparing. Not at all. I think people are getting upset because you are flat out saying he has the chance to be better. You really want to talk about how he can be "better" and not compare, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Jabaal Sheard had a better rookie season than Abraham did.PS, it's not about you comparing. Not at all. I think people are getting upset because you are flat out saying he has the chance to be better. You really want to talk about how he can be "better" and not compare, I guess.I'm not sure I understand your point. Sayin I think he could better (in future of course) is a comparison of ther explosive first step, talent and skill set. I actually believe Beasley may be slightly more explosive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtyhairy Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 That's fine and all, but you didn't answer the question.Do you think Beasley has a chance to have a better rookie season that Abraham did?Yes Gazoo, and the perspective you put the Beasley talent in was correct. People on this board whine and complain like non other. Keep up the good work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Yes Gazoo, and the perspective you put the Beasley talent in was correct. People on this board whine and complain like non other. Keep up the good work.To think our very own Jonathan Babs who played alongside Abe the whole time here compared Beasley to Abe, yet I get eviscerated for doing same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allknowing Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 demote whoever wasted our 2nd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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