I Think We Got Screwed At The End Of The Half Against Nyg

[Califalcon0013]

I'm re watching the cowboys vs the egirls and the cowboys had a false start penalty (clock stopped because romo ran out of bounds the play earlier) and they charged them a timeout so they wouldn't run 10 seconds off the clock. Now the play I'm referring to as us being screwed was when the giants had no timeouts and they were called for holding with 7 seconds left on the clock and they did not run 10 seconds off the clock that would have prevented them from taking the lead at the end of the half

[xiv_T_E_C_O_]

I thought the same but someone let me know that the game clock must be ticking for the penalty runoff.

[Califalcon0013]

I thought the same but someone let me know that the game clock must be ticking for the penalty runoff.

The cowboys had the clock stopped too and they charged them their final timeout

[Falconsfan567]

Just did a little research and here is what I found.

This was discussed in the chat room today, and I was asked about the exact rule since I have a NFL rule book. Here it is from the book. I wouldn't be surprised if we see something similar next year in the NCAA.

"Action to conserve time" - A team is not permitted to conserve time inside of one minute of either half by committing any of the following acts: fouls by either team that prevent the ball from being snapped (i.e. FST, ENC,… ING, IFP from beyond the LOS to conserve time, BBPass OOB’s to conserve time, and ANY other intentional foul that causes the clock to stop.

PENALTY: Loss of 5 yards unless a larger distance penalty is applicable. When committed by the offensive team with the clock running, officials will run 10 seconds of the game clock before permitting the ball to be put into play on the RFP signal. The clock will start on the RFP. If the offense has TO’s remaining it will have the option of using the TO in lieu of the 10-second runoff. If the action is by the defense, the play clock will be reset to 40 seconds and the game clock will start on the RFP signal. If the defense has TO’s remaining, it will have the option of using the TO in lieu of the game clock being started. NOTE: There can never be a 10 second runoff against the defense.

http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=7669.0

[Falconsfan567]

The cowboys had the clock stopped too and they charged them their final timeout

Check out what I just posted. Apparently the 10 second runoff only applies to pre-snap penalties. Penalties that occur during the course of the play don't require a 10 second runoff. That would explain the difference in both games.

[xiv_T_E_C_O_]

IDK then, from what I thought if you get any sort of penalty after the 2 min. warning it's a 10 second runoff. I'm completely confused now.

[xiv_T_E_C_O_]

Just did a little research and here is what I found.

This was discussed in the chat room today, and I was asked about the exact rule since I have a NFL rule book. Here it is from the book. I wouldn't be surprised if we see something similar next year in the NCAA.

"Action to conserve time" - A team is not permitted to conserve time inside of one minute of either half by committing any of the following acts: fouls by either team that prevent the ball from being snapped (i.e. FST, ENC, ING, IFP from beyond the LOS to conserve time, BBPass OOBs to conserve time, and ANY other intentional foul that causes the clock to stop.

PENALTY: Loss of 5 yards unless a larger distance penalty is applicable. When committed by the offensive team with the clock running, officials will run 10 seconds of the game clock before permitting the ball to be put into play on the RFP signal. The clock will start on the RFP. If the offense has TOs remaining it will have the option of using the TO in lieu of the 10-second runoff. If the action is by the defense, the play clock will be reset to 40 seconds and the game clock will start on the RFP signal. If the defense has TOs remaining, it will have the option of using the TO in lieu of the game clock being started. NOTE: There can never be a 10 second runoff against the defense.

http://www.refstripes.com/forum/index.php?topic=7669.0

Awesome, thanks again for the knowledge.

[Califalcon0013]

Check out what I just posted. Apparently the 10 second runoff only applies to pre-snap penalties. Penalties that occur during the course of the play don't require a 10 second runoff. That would explain the difference in both games.

Thanks for clearing that up I was sure there must be some kind of conspiracy against the falcons lol

[FalconFanForLife]

The h3ll with rational and logical explanations, I always gravitate best towards the conspiracy theory against the Falcons.

[RunningThePiszOuttaTheBall]

I think the commentators talked about the runoff and why it didn't apply. I don't remember what they said though.

[BayFalcon]

They didn't really go into details, just stating that there won't be a 10 second runoff.

[MattM12]

What happened when the Giants hurried the snap before we could review? I forget, was it a bad spot?

[roguebeaver]

Illegal line shift and not false start, or illegal motion. Thus, they claimed no runoff was required.

[BayFalcon]

What happened when the Giants hurried the snap before we could review? I forget, was it a bad spot?

When Beasley got his first "sack" he hit the ball out of Eli's hand, but Eli's hand was moving forward. It should have been an incomplete pass, but the Giants recovered it for a first down. They hurried to the line and ran a play before Quinn could get a look at it.

[crimsonhawk]

When Beasley got his first "sack" he hit the ball out of Eli's hand, but Eli's hand was moving forward. It should have been an incomplete pass, but the Giants recovered it for a first down. They hurried to the line and ran a play before Quinn could get a look at it.

Smart play by the Giants....there was very little time for a challenge (Of course Quinn got crucified in the Official Thread).

[Butudontseeme™]

So a team that commits a penalty after the snap can simply throw the ball away and get another shot. Seems like rewarding a penalty to an extent but I'm sure there's rationale behind it.