Atlanta Falcons' Defense Bears Down After William Moore Tirade

[TheFatboi]

1. He missed Vareen, not Beckham. The 3-man coverage breakdown on the next play cost 7 points.

2. You can't blame imperfect execution for every score. The Giants are professionals too. They were going to make some plays no matter how well we played. Yes Moore should have wrapped him up, but that was a nice open field move by Vareen.

3. He showed fire and some leadership. I value that over an occasional missed tackle. Ronnie Lott wasn't perfect, either

This is what've keep trying to tell these dudes man. Vereen put a SPIN MOVE on Moore. Happens to the best of them. Allen missed that tackle that lead to the TD. He was appropriately benched for it too. Yet ppl want to blame Moore for the only missed tackle he had in the game??? Fuuuuuuny!!!

[TheFatboi]

Oh Willy, how funny thou art. He played a decent game but it was his play that allowed them to score after he was too busy to form tackle on third down. We got the win and it was a team effort.

It did not. The play they scored on allowed them to score. Football is play to play. You forget the last play and worry about the NEXt play. The missed tackle on the Next play gave up the TD. NOT WILLY MO's missed tackle.

[TheFatboi]

Where are my guys that played football?? Were we not taught that you forget the last play? William Moore gave up a 1st down. Ricardo Allen gave up a TD. So why is Willy Mo being blamed by our fan base for ALLENS missed tackle?? WHY DID RICARDO ALLEN GET BENCHED AND NOT MOORE???? Secondly OBJ's TD or as the board puts it, Moores missed tackle made the score 10-10. They score 10 more points AFTER that. Bottom line is the Giants got a great game out of Eli, OBJ, and Vereen. PERIOD. You can NEVER say you lost a game or almost lost a game because of 1 play unless it's the LAST play of the game. There is always a chain of events that lead to losing a game. Not one d@mn play!!

[FentayeJones]

Where are my guys that played football?? Were we not taught that you forget the last play? William Moore gave up a 1st down. Ricardo Allen gave up a TD. So why is Willy Mo being blamed by our fan base for ALLENS missed tackle?? WHY DID RICARDO ALLEN GET BENCHED AND NOT MOORE???? Secondly OBJ's TD or as the board puts it, Moores missed tackle made the score 10-10. They score 10 more points AFTER that. Bottom line is the Giants got a great game out of Eli, OBJ, and Vereen. PERIOD. You can NEVER say you lost a game or almost lost a game because of 1 play unless it's the LAST play of the game. There is always a chain of events that lead to losing a game. Not one d@mn play!!

The funny thing is we WON the game. After Moore went off, the secondary put the clamps on OJB. The way cats are actng you would think we got blew out or something.

[ATLFalcons11]

Of course he is entitled to make mistakes and everyone loves fiery leaders and he can be critical of our defense just as fans can be critical of his piss poor tackle. As I said it was a team effort to come together and win.

I appreciate Willy Mo, his skills and his veteran leadership but I am not massively bothered by our DBs, who other than Trufant, are probably not going to be amazingly effective on one of the top WRs in the league. I am bothered by a top league safety missing critical tackles trying to lay wood. That is all.

Why are people so bothered by this type of post?!?!?! This a great post. Let's look at some highlights.

He is entitled to make mistakes.

He is a fiery leader.

This win was a team effort.

I appreciate Willy Mo, his SKILLS, and his veteran leadership.

I am bothered by a TOP LEAGUE SAFETY missing critical tackles.

There was ONE negative thing about Willy Mo in this post in the midst of a positive statement and people are getting upset. Once again, it is ok to criticize a play.

Was the missed tackle critical? Yes, every play is plus it was 3rd down that could have ended a drive that the Giants eventually scored a TD on.

Was it a missed tackle? Yes, spin move or not....other players making plays or not. It's his job at all times, no matter how improbable to stop those players from making plays or to make better plays than those players.

And it's ok! Lmao. I'm just shocked at so much disdain for a simple call out, especially from a great, positive post like the one above.

[MattM12]

This is what've keep trying to tell these dudes man. Vereen put a SPIN MOVE on Moore. Happens to the best of them. Allen missed that tackle that lead to the TD. He was appropriately benched for it too. Yet ppl want to blame Moore for the only missed tackle he had in the game??? Fuuuuuuny!!!

Vereen is way up there in the league as 3rd down back. Like waaaay up there. Great play by him.

It's funny that we all go crazy for missed tackles, when we see opposing teams miss tackles on 3rd down, giving us 1st downs, and we heap praise on Offensive skill. Goes both ways.

And yes, i'd like WAR to miss less tackles, but he's up there as one of the most important Falcons. He is an enforcer, and we don't have many others.

He absolutely wrecked Ellington early on at the LOS. Tone set? Check.

And that isn't a one off. I've lost count of how many momentum changing hits he has put in.

[nomak]

Bares

[charliechaplin]

hope he barked at himself some for those missed tackles he had.

And the fact that had he just fallen on the fumble instead of trying to scoop it up, we would have had the ball, and not NYG

[ATLBrave]

Um.

""I just said that we were way better than that," Moore said. "I said that we just needed to know our assignments. They shouldn't have been catching things like that. I said, 'I would put my DBs against any receiver, any day.' And they knew that. It was about the whole group, including me. We needed to get back in position to be on our stuff."

Also, can we kill this whole expectation that the other team will never make any good plays and our players will never make any bad plays? It's like, there's a way to acknowledge that Moore needs to improve on some aspects but that, at the same time, without him, we might not have won this game. Like he can't be critical of our defense as a whole if he makes any mistakes.

Seriously.

Once again, he was talking about coverage, not tackling. Not that difficult to grasp that concept or to keep reading further where I've already explained that.

[TheFatboi]

Vereen is way up there in the league as 3rd down back. Like waaaay up there. Great play by him.

It's funny that we all go crazy for missed tackles, when we see opposing teams miss tackles on 3rd down, giving us 1st downs, and we heap praise on Offensive skill. Goes both ways.

And yes, i'd like WAR to miss less tackles, but he's up there as one of the most important Falcons. He is an enforcer, and we don't have many others.

He absolutely wrecked Ellington early on at the LOS. Tone set? Check.

And that isn't a one off. I've lost count of how many momentum changing hits he has put in.

Absolutely

[TheFatboi]

Why are people so bothered by this type of post?!?!?! This a great post. Let's look at some highlights.

He is entitled to make mistakes.

He is a fiery leader.

This win was a team effort.

I appreciate Willy Mo, his SKILLS, and his veteran leadership.

I am bothered by a TOP LEAGUE SAFETY missing critical tackles.

There was ONE negative thing about Willy Mo in this post in the midst of a positive statement and people are getting upset. Once again, it is ok to criticize a play.

Was the missed tackle critical? Yes, every play is plus it was 3rd down that could have ended a drive that the Giants eventually scored a TD on.

Was it a missed tackle? Yes, spin move or not....other players making plays or not. It's his job at all times, no matter how improbable to stop those players from making plays or to make better plays than those players.

And it's ok! Lmao. I'm just shocked at so much disdain for a simple call out, especially from a great, positive post like the one above.

It wa a good post and it doesn't bother me. What bothers me is ppl putting a microscope on that one play. We always miss 3rd down tackles. Every team does and it's simply because the other guy gets paid to make the other guy miss. It had nothing to do with laying wood. He was trying to make a regular hard tackle and vereen spun. RAY F*CKIN LEWIS would've missed that tackle in open field.

This is what bothers me. We want our offense to make all the plays and our defense to make all the stops. In other words it's cool when Hester makes another teams enforcer miss in open field but if another shifty guys makes OUR enforcer miss we have to make a thread about it. It's effin football and it's what makes the game exciting for me. I'd be mad if he just blatantly missed the tackle but I respect other good players that make guys miss tackles because I myself was a guy that made guys miss tackles on me.

I know it was 3rd down but that did not cause the score. It's always about the next play. The last play is dead and gone. It's cool to criticize the team. I do it all the time but I don't criticize or put under a microscope one single play in the scope of the whole game. Besides that the score was only 10-10 after OBJ's TD. How do we explain how it got to 20-10??? Did willy mo miss more tackles that lead to another TD and a FG?? NO. He only missed THAT ONE TACKLE. I rewatched the game. THIS is why I'm speaking out. Nobody is talking about the OTHER 2 scores the Giants had. Only this one missed tackle that supposedly lead to OBJ's 67 yard TD that ALLEN missed a tackle on.

I just think the blame or critique is in the wrong place. It should be on the whole defense and not 1 missed tackle from Moore where vereen made a nice open field play on him. That's all simple. It's like ppl blaming the niner loss on HD's trip when we had 2 turnovers on scoring drives. And even AFTER the trip we STILL had a chance to win. I'm sorry but my mentality will always be that of a football player more than the average fan so I think like players think. It ain't about one play. It's about 60 minutes. Sorry. Excuse my mindset.

[wleggett]

Okay Willy Mo, that's good but don't forget to hold a mirror in front of your face when you're doing that...just sayin'

Obviously your reading comprehension skills are lacking so I'll help you out here.

He said it was about the WHOLE GROUP INCLUDING HIMSELF.

WHOLE

GROUP

INCLUDING

HIMSELF

That means he included himself as part of the whole group. So when he was included that means he was part of the whole group.

Does that clear it up a bit for you?

Edited September 21, 2015 by wleggett

[Falcanuck]

Really? You know understand?

His missed tackle came on third down while on the Giants side of the 50. He missed the tackle and they got a first INSTEAD OF PUNTING. Know what happened after that? The long ODB touchdown.

So yeah, missing 1 tackle is drama because it cost us 7 points.

Sherman got beat last night on a 40 yard pass that directly resulted in 7 pts. He should just quit, he sucks.

Moore misses a tackle that leads to Alford blowing coverage. Moore should just quit, he sucks.

[TheFatboi]

Sherman got beat last night on a 40 yard pass that directly resulted in 7 pts. He should just quit, he sucks.

Moore misses a tackle that leads to Alford blowing coverage. Moore should just quit, he sucks.

Alford didn't blow the coverage. It was cover 3 so his assignment is to bail straight back. OBJ ran an post route so that responsibility was in the middle of the field. Probably one of the linebackers didn't drop deep enough. Stupar was in on that play so it may have been him. Either way it wasn't on Alford. Allen missed the tackle tho.

[JayOzOne]

Seems like many are so ticked by what happened before his tirade that they don't realize that he agrees with them that his play was lacking as well. Personally, I'm glad somebody had a voice when it was needed instead of waiting until the end of the game to suggest that the dog just didn't hunt that day. Like him or no, that conversation (coming from a player, not a coach) might be the biggest reason our secondary steps up from this point. Plus one, William Moore.

[HEIST]

Shane Vereen is a good receiving back. Gave the Seahawks fits.

[Atlfanstckndenver]

These fans rarely know what they have when they have it. I've seen so many people complain about Moore it's clear they have no idea just how good a football player he is.

[TheFatboi]

Seems like many are so ticked by what happened before his tirade that they don't realize that he agrees with them that his play was lacking as well. Personally, I'm glad somebody had a voice when it was needed instead of waiting until the end of the game to suggest that the dog just didn't hunt that day. Like him or no, that conversation (coming from a player, not a coach) might be the biggest reason our secondary steps up from this point. Plus one, William Moore.

That's what leaders do. But I've seen a lot of guys wanting him gone after yesterday's game. Lol. Ridiculous. He's our enforcer and every team should have one.

[TheFatboi]

Shane Vereen is a good receiving back. Gave the Seahawks fits.

This is my point. Is it crazy that a guy like vereen can put a spin move on Moore in open field and make him miss??? What am I not understanding here??

[Falcon Ben]

Form tackling isn't about being in position. It's about actually trying to soundly tackle an opposing player. Guy was talking about coverage, not his inability (or lack of want to) to wrap up. I love Moore. Savvy vet who can make some very good plays at the SS position, but he's extended countless drives by not doing the most rudimentary things.

Stopped reading at "Form tackling isn't about being in position."

Uh, yeah it is.

[trubirdfan4life]

If he can stay healthy.

if his leadership takes us to a superbowl victory....yeah, history will tell a different story

[wleggett]

This is my point. Is it crazy that a guy like vereen can put a spin move on Moore in open field and make him miss??? What am I not understanding here??

Didn't you know our offense and defense are the only ones in the league paid to make plays? It's entirely outside of the realm of possibility that a player on the opponent's team can do anything special. If they do it's obviously because our player/unit/team sucks.

[trubirdfan4life]

Stopped reading at "Form tackling isn't about being in position."

Uh, yeah it is.

exactly, its completely about position....position of your feet, position of your head, position of your shoulder....everything has to be in position correctly for you to be able to wrap up....wrapping up only happens if you are in good position

[TheFatboi]

Didn't you know our offense and defense are the only ones in the league paid to make plays? It's entirely outside of the realm of possibility that a player on the opponent's team can do anything special. If they do it's obviously because our player/unit/team sucks.

Lol. I know. And THIS is what gets on my nerves. Did I hate that it was 3rd down? Yes. Did I hate that veteran put a move on Moore? Yes. Do I blame Moore?? No. Vereen is a shifty player. He made MANY falcons miss tackles yesterday. Off top of my head he made Worrilow miss for a 37 yard gain, Durant, Allen, Moore. And probably a few more. They had to gang tackle vereen so how can I blame Moore for this shifty guy when I saw him make two falcons miss on the SAME play at the SAME time before the troops got there to get him down. Wow. This is football. There are 2 teams on the field. Did the Giants not miss tackles that lead to 1st downs for us?? Cmon man!!

[ATLBrave]

Stopped reading at "Form tackling isn't about being in position."

Uh, yeah it is.

Yes, let's look at the context of what Moore was saying and what I'm talking about. Moore is talking about coverage position, not tackling. Everything in that article/blurb was about our secondary not being in their correct positions in coverage. Being in good coverage position doesn't have a ******** thing to do with not throwing your shoulder at an opponent, which is what myself and countless others are talking about in this thread. But please, feel free not to read. Doesn't make it any less true.