Nfl Admits Two Blown Calls In Giants-Cowboys Game

[Des-pool]

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/09/17/new-york-giants-dallas-cowboys-blown-calls-week-one

what was that again about it being pass interference?

[Rave]

I really shouldn't even reply to this horrible trolling attempt, but here it goes.

17 points off of 3 turnovers....the game well at hand at the end of the 4th quarter, inside the 5 yard line...

...and you want to give them the "what about that blown call" excuse.

I really thought you were better than this.

They blew it, Dallas won, move on already.

Ive already started hate week with the Eagles fan I work with.

Its Thursday, yesterday was the first practice for this week's games, why are we still talking about Sunday night?

[wuskillzz]

Ouch, almost feel bad for the Giants. Hopefully there will be no "make up" call this week in their behalf.

[Rave]

Ouch, almost feel bad for the Giants. Hopefully there will be no "make up" call this week in their behalf.

You can't be serious.

[Joremarid]

Yea those were bad calls that changed the game.

[Des-pool]

You say trolling, I say replying to your earlier comments that it wasn't PI. Of course, you blow it off as not affecting the outcome of the game, now that your narrative of it not being PI was debunked.

You were wrong, as usual, and now you are backtracking.

[Des-pool]

Just in case you forgot what you said:

"The "phantom PI call" was called right. You can't put your hands on a receiver after 5 yards. DRC grabbed Williams' shoulder at the 2."

Obviously, the NFL doesn't agree with you. But then again, that's nothing new, you still think Dez caught the ball last year, even the NFL said it wasn't a catch.

.

[Rave]

You say trolling, I say replying to your earlier comments that it wasn't PI. Of course, you blow it off as not affecting the outcome of the game, now that your narrative of it not being PI was debunked.

You were wrong, as usual, and now you are backtracking.

Backtracking? Tell me, if the Giants run, as they should have, and Dallas loses, would you even care about these calls?

Let me answer for you, no you wouldn't.

Coughlin made a foolish call, Dallas got the ball back, and Tony made them pay for it. New York's fate was in their own hands and they lost the game for themselves.

This attempt to paint the refs as the reason that NY lost is pathetic. Dallas tried their hardest to give that game away and NY refused to win.

I'm on to Philly. Live in the past if you must.

The mere fact that you want to discredit Dallas' win so bad shows that, as much as you deny it, you're as much a hater as you claim me to be. Dallas won, Atlanta won, it's week 2, time to move on.

[Des-pool]

Rave rave rave:

I just want you to be honest. You said the PI call was correct, the NFL disagreed and said they got it wrong. I don't care who won or lost, I have no dog in that fight. It's just humorous that you are now trying to rationalize why the call didn't matter, after you stated that it was the correct call.

This is about you, not Dallas or the Giants. It's about you needing to be right so bad that you refuse to acknowledge what you original said that was wrong at the time and is even more wrong now.

Just be honest and stop with the rationalizations. It can't be that hard. Here, let me help you:

Guys, I was wrong about the PI call, it seems even the NFL says it was a bad call. My bad....

See, is that so hard to say?

[Rave]

Rave rave rave:

I just want you to be honest. You said the PI call was correct, the NFL disagreed and said they got it wrong. I don't care who won or lost, I have no dog in that fight. It's just humorous that you are now trying to rationalize why the call didn't matter, after you stated that it was the correct call.

This is about you, not Dallas or the Giants. It's about you needing to be right so bad that you refuse to acknowledge what you original said that was wrong at the time and is even more wrong now.

Just be honest and stop with the rationalizations. It can't be that hard. Here, let me help you:

Guys, I was wrong about the PI call, it seems even the NFL says it was a bad call. My bad....

See, is that so hard to say?

Until the rules take out space for human interpretation we are going to have this problem. DRC clearly hit on Williams' shoulder at the 2 yard line. Was it enough to call PI? Maybe not. Did the ref officiating the game think it was? Yes. The ref himself said the call was "iffy". However, that is what you get when you don't clearly define what something is. When you leave all these rules up for interpretation then you allow the "human element" in.

Point being, you are not allowed to touch a WR after 5 yards unless you are going for the ball. Seeing that play in real time I would have called the exact same thing. Watching it in slow motion on replay was an option that the refs didnt have during the game. As soon as DRC hit Williams' shoulder a flag needed to be thrown. DRC was not going for the ball, so there was absolutely no reason for him to hit Williams' shoulder. Whether or not it was PI is completely left up to interpretation.

Right after the call all the analyst showed was DRC and Williams' in the endzone, the infraction didn't happen in the endzone. It happened at the 2 while the ball was in the air. With DRC trailing Williams as Williams was headed to catch the ball, DRC hit Williams' shoulder. Who knows if Williams would have caught the ball had DRC not done this. Regardless of what the NFL says, according to the rule that you are not to touch a receiver after 5 yards (unless going for the ball) that was PI.

Pass Interference

1. There shall be no interference with a forward pass thrown from behind the line. The restriction for the passing team starts with the snap. The restriction on the defensive team starts when the ball leaves the passer’s hand. Both restrictions end when the ball is touched by anyone.
2. The penalty for defensive pass interference is an automatic first down at the spot of the foul. If interference is in the end zone, it is first down for the offense on the defense’s 1-yard line. If previous spot was inside the defense’s 1-yard line, penalty is half the distance to the goal line.
3. The penalty for offensive pass interference is 10 yards from the previous spot.
4. It is pass interference by either team when any player movement beyond the line of scrimmage significantly hinders the progress of an eligible player of such player’s opportunity to catch the ball. Offensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is snapped until the ball is touched. Defensive pass interference rules apply from the time the ball is thrown until the ball is touched.

   Actions that constitute defensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

   (a) Contact by a defender who is not playing the ball and such contact restricts the receiver’s opportunity to make the catch.

   (b ) Playing through the back of a receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

   (c ) Grabbing a receiver’s arm(s) in such a manner that restricts his opportunity to catch a pass.

   (d) Extending an arm across the body of a receiver thus restricting his ability to catch a pass, regardless of whether the defender is playing the ball.

   (e) Cutting off the path of a receiver by making contact with him without playing the ball.

   (f) Hooking a receiver in an attempt to get to the ball in such a manner that it causes the receiver’s body to turn prior to the ball arriving.

   Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:

   (a) Incidental contact by a defender’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball, or neither player is looking for the ball. If there is any question whether contact is incidental, the ruling shall be no interference.

   (b ) Inadvertent tangling of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

   (c ) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players.

   (d) Laying a hand on a receiver that does not restrict the receiver in an attempt to make a play on the ball.

   (e) Contact by a defender who has gained position on a receiver in an attempt to catch the ball.

   Actions that constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

   (a) Blocking downfield by an offensive player prior to the ball being touched.

   (b ) Initiating contact with a defender by shoving or pushing off thus creating a separation in an attempt to catch a pass.

   (c ) Driving through a defender who has established a position on the field.

   Actions that do not constitute offensive pass interference include but are not limited to:

   (a) Incidental contact by a receiver’s hands, arms, or body when both players are competing for the ball or neither player is looking for the ball.

   (b ) Inadvertent touching of feet when both players are playing the ball or neither player is playing the ball.

   (c ) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the ball is clearly uncatchable by involved players.

   Note 1: If there is any question whether player contact is incidental, the ruling should be no interference.

   Note 2: Defensive players have as much right to the path of the ball as eligible offensive players.

   Note 3: Pass interference for both teams ends when the pass is touched.

   Note 4: There can be no pass interference at or behind the line of scrimmage, but defensive actions such as tackling a receiver can still result in a 5-yard penalty for defensive holding, if accepted.

   Note 5: Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation, defensive pass interference is not to be called for action on the end man on the line of scrimmage, or an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a 5-yard penalty and automatic first down from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply.

If you are running towards a ball in flight, hitting you on the shoulder can very possibly slow you down or throw you off balance enough to impede a catch. So, to act like there is no way this was pass interference is foolish. However, it is left up to interpretation. I would be willing to go as far as to say it could be called either way. However, I will not say that what DRC did in no way interfered with Williams' ability to catch said pass.

Also, before you call "incidental contact" why would you naturally have your arm so high as to have your hand come down on a guy's shoulder running in front of you. That makes no sense. So don't even try it.

[Rave]

This whole thread is a moot point, and you know it by the way.

If Eli runs out the clock or Romo fails to bring the Cowboys back, then the headlines would have been Romo's 2 "INTs".

However, Eli gives the game away and SI has the nerve to try to put blame on the refs.

Do you see the difference? Do you see how each QB is treated and talked about differently?

If Dallas loses that game the blame falls on Dallas, since NY lost the game, the blame falls on the refs.

Gotta love it.

[Aquietguy]

My take. Bad calls happen. Its part of the game. The league does it's best but refs are human.

[Rave]

My take. Bad calls happen. Its part of the game. The league does it's best but refs are human.

Short, sweet, to the point, I like it.

[Falconsfan567]

Just in case you forgot what you said:

"The "phantom PI call" was called right. You can't put your hands on a receiver after 5 yards. DRC grabbed Williams' shoulder at the 2."

Obviously, the NFL doesn't agree with you. But then again, that's nothing new, you still think Dez caught the ball last year, even the NFL said it wasn't a catch.

.

I never post in Rivals Central so I don't know any of the folks here unless they also post in TATF, and I'm anything but a Cowboys fan, but anyone with any common sense whatsoever knows that Dez Bryant caught that ball last year against the Packers and that he only lost control of it after he reached out for the goal line. That was a catch all the way just like Calvin Johnson's "catch" against the Bears several years ago that they somehow called incomplete. The NFL's rules about what is and isn't a catch is totally subjective depending on the team and the situation. There's no consistency there whatsoever just like there's absolutely no consistency in what is and isn't a pass interference call.

[Rave]

I never post in Rivals Central so I don't know any of the folks here unless they also post in TATF, and I'm anything but a Cowboys fan, but anyone with any common sense whatsoever knows that Dez Bryant caught that ball last year against the Packers and that he only lost control of it after he reached out for the goal line. That was a catch all the way just like Calvin Johnson's "catch" against the Bears several years ago that they somehow called incomplete. The NFL's rules about what is and isn't a catch is totally subjective depending on the team and the situation. There's no consistency there whatsoever just like there's absolutely no consistency in what is and isn't a pass interference call.

Just like the hit Wilcox laid on OBJ should have caused a fumble, not an incompletion.

[Des-pool]

I've been out of town, but let me just say this:

Rave...the NFL said it wasn't PI. The NFL would never make one of their refs look bad like that if they thought differently or it was close. It wasn't in their eyes.

[Rave]

I've been out of town, but let me just say this:

Rave...the NFL said it wasn't PI. The NFL would never make one of their refs look bad like that if they thought differently or it was close. It wasn't in their eyes.

After the fact you have the benefit of replay. I guarantee you they didnt watch that in real time and make that judgement.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

In real time when a WR is hit after 5 yards a flag should be thrown if the DB isnt going for the ball. That is the rule.

Wouldnt be the first time a rule wasnt calling consistently...

[Des-pool]

That's not what I am saying...not he refs, the NFL itself emulated the penalty last week, during the week and said it was a blown call. They didn't have to say anything. They reviewed it in the red evaluations they do during every week on every penalty, and came up with that assessment. That's the point I am tying to say...the NFL itself came out and said it wasn't PI and shouldn't have been called.

[Rave]

That's not what I am saying...not he refs, the NFL itself emulated the penalty last week, during the week and said it was a blown call. They didn't have to say anything. They reviewed it in the red evaluations they do during every week on every penalty, and came up with that assessment. That's the point I am tying to say...the NFL itself came out and said it wasn't PI and shouldn't have been called.

....and, that is what I am saying, the NFL had the advantage of seeing the play, AFTER the fact, in slow motion.

The ref that threw the flag saw it in real time.

How many different ways do I have to spell it out?

[Des-pool]

Sure...what's your stupid point?

You said it was a good call. It wasn't. You are wrong. Deal with it and stop posting rules. The NFL said they were wrong and it was a blown call. Just accept your wrongness. Embrace it. Love it.

You can do this!

[Rave]

Sure...what's your stupid point?

You said it was a good call. It wasn't. You are wrong. Deal with it and stop posting rules. The NFL said they were wrong and it was a blown call. Just accept your wrongness. Embrace it. Love it.

You can do this!

Dallas won, embrace it, love it, move the **** on!

[Des-pool]

Can't do it, can you?

I admitted I was wrong last week about something. But you literally cannot say you were wrong.

Seriously man...you have a problem. It's not that big a deal to not be right. No one is right all the time. But not being able to admit it bespeaks to an ego driven issue.

It's ok. It's a hard thing to do, especially at first. You'll get there one day.

[Rave]

Can't do it, can you?

I admitted I was wrong last week about something. But you literally cannot say you were wrong.

Seriously man...you have a problem. It's not that big a deal to not be right. No one is right all the time. But not being able to admit it bespeaks to an ego driven issue.

It's ok. It's a hard thing to do, especially at first. You'll get there one day.

I already said that it may have not been the right call. However, the rule is left up to interpretation. That is the problem with some of these rules.

[Joremarid]

It wasn't pass interference you can put your hands on the player you just can't affect the the route or attempt to catch the pass

[Rave]

It wasn't pass interference you can put your hands on the player you just can't affect the the route or attempt to catch the pass

The rules state you can not touch a player, unless incidentally, once the ball is in flight.