Revisiting The Julio Jones Trade - Haters Were Wrong

[gazoo]

Once TD had a clear cut direction on what type of defensive and offensive schemes we were implementing, he was able to acquire a dozen or more seasoned scheme specific veterans in a single offseason and also draft several scheme specific players already contributing. Heck, even our 5th round rookie Tuggle2 almost got a sack in Monday game.

The argument that is was a mere few draft picks that tanked our 2013 and 2014 seasons because It wiped out our depth with no way to recover has been completely shot down in flames. It's indisputable.

In fact, trading a few picks in 2011 for the best WR in the NFL, who currently has the highest yards per game in NFL history, who has only played 4 seasons and is just now entering his prime, who was just voted best offensive player in the NFL this week, who ALREADY helped us get 10 yards from a Super Bowl in 2012, who will benefit us for years to come was a brilliant move. The notion that we went 10-22 those years because we couldn't bring in 3 depth players to replace the picks is foolish.

It was not a few draft picks traded that led to a 10-22 run in 2013- 2014, the problem was mainly a lack of direction. A lack of direction that negatively influenced player acquisition. ( again, just look at the player acquisition this offseason now that we had direction)

The fact is, TDs Julio Jones trade is looking more prescient as time goes by.

[MACK4ttACK]

No matter how many games he misses because of injury all we need is ONE superbowl

Glad to have him

[MD-FalconFan13]

Boom.

[GTBF54]

LMAO.... Cue hindsite rams fan should be here.......

[Falcanuck]

But we would have had Weeden.....

[jayu70]

The trade didn't wipe out the depth, it was the constant misses in subsequent drafts that did it.

The trade was a win.

[dfsutton]

The trade didn't wipe out the depth, it was the constant misses in subsequent drafts that did it.

The trade was a win.

Hard to argue with that.

[A Dog Named Brian]

It's not like the former coaching staff would have developed any of those missed draft picks anyways....... But that's none of my business tho............

P.S. - I still love Smitty and all that he did for us

Edited September 17, 2015 by A Dog Named Brian

[B3TD]

The trade didn't wipe out the depth, it was the constant misses in subsequent drafts that did it.

The trade was a win.

And the ones before it. Willy Mo is the only player left from the 2009 and 2010 classes.

If they hadn't traded up for the bonafied stud, TDs history suggests that they were highly likely to strike out on the picks.

[dirtybird2k5]

But we could have had Randall Cobb, Justin Houston, DeMarco Murray, Jordan Cameron, Julius Thomas, Richard Sherman, and Jason Kelce from that draft! 'Troffed!

[gazoo]

Lol how the goal posts have moved in the Julio Jones trade debate.

I've read on this very message board scores of times starting in 2013 all the way up through just before the draft how the Julio Jones trade as a bad decision because it wiped out our depth rendering us helpless in the 2013 and 2014 seasons.

Now, suddenly, the goal posts are moved WAY over.

Now, the Julio Jones trade was **always a good trade** and had nothing to do with our losing in 2013-2014!!!

[gazoo]

But we could have had Randall Cobb, Justin Houston, DeMarco Murray, Jordan Cameron, Julius Thomas, Richard Sherman, and Jason Kelce from that draft! 'Troffed!

By,bu,but we could have had Jake Long instead of Matt Ryan. er, wait......we have BOTH Matt Ryan and Jake Long!

Troffed!!!!

[I Even Bleed Red]

This is still a topic?

[dirtybird2k5]

By,bu,but we could have had Jake Long instead of Matt Ryan. er, wait......we have BOTH Matt Ryan and Jake Long!

Troffed!!!!

[Wjcorner]

Lol how the goal posts have moved in the Julio Jones trade debate.

I've read on this very message board scores of times starting in 2013 all the way up through just before the draft how the Julio Jones trade as a bad decision because it wiped out our depth rendering us helpless in the 2013 and 2014 seasons.

Now, suddenly, the goal posts are moved WAY over.

Now, the Julio Jones trade was **always a good trade** and had nothing to do with our losing in 2013-2014!!!

You realize you're talking to people about an argument they obviously weren't against you on right?

[FalconFanSince1970]

Revisiting The Defunct "selecting Julio Jones Wiped Out Our Depth" Argument

Where is our depth at free safety, cornerback and OG? Let’s just hope we stay healthy and don’t have to find out. Collins or Southward at corner would be scary. I don’t even know who our back up free safety is. It better not be Ish. I really hope we never see R Stone at LG again.

Once TD had a clear cut direction on what type of defensive and offensive schemes we were implementing, he was able to acquire a dozen or more good players for the scheme in a single offseason.

The last time Dimi had control of the roster he was given clear direction to go find enough LBs to run a 3-4 defense. He drafted four LBs and signed a couple others. After assessing his acquisitions the coaching staff immediately decided they needed to move to a nickel base. All but one of those LBs were off the roster a year later. The last one may rarely be active on the game day roster.

The argument that is was a mere few draft picks we gave up to acquire Pro Bowl WR Julio Jones that tanked our 2013 and 2014 seasons because It wiped out our depth with no way to recover has been completely shot down in flames. It's indisputable.

A mere few draft picks my as. He gave up two firsts, a second and two fourths bro. That’s starter level depth, not back up. This was after his mentor Bill BillyCheck told him he’d be crazy as hail to do so. He did it anyway. Since then he’s gone 34-31 with one playoff win. His mentor went 50-15, with seven playoff wins and a Lombardi. Jeez.

In fact, trading a few picks in 2011 for the best WR in the NFL, who currently has the highest yards per game in NFL history, who has only played 4 seasons and is just now entering his prime, who was just voted best offensive player in the NFL this week, who ALREADY helped us get 10 yards from a Super Bowl in 2012, who will benefit us for years to come.........the notion that we went 10-22 those years because we couldn't bring in 3 depth players to replace the picks is foolish.

Julio is definitely a beast and will continue to get better if he stays healthy. Having him on the roster has not given us rest, just 34-31 and unrest. Edelman, Tate, Boldin and Cruz were the number one WRs on the four Super Bowl Championship teams of the Julio era. Neither of them cost five picks and $63M guaranteed. In fact, he may be the only WR in the history of the NFL that cost his team that much.

Drafting your stud players like Ryan, Mathews, Trufant, Julio, Beasley and so forth is MUCH smarter than acquiring big became FAs who prospected elsewhere, move to other teams with gigantic salary cap hits and flop. We instead resigned Julio who has already proven he is successful, here in Atlanta, no bust risk at all.

Not all big name free agents flop. See Reggie White, Julius Peppers, Peyton Manning, Priest Holmes, Keenan McCardell, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, Curtis Martin, Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Deion Sanders, etc. When Dimi was in charge of our roster, most of his big name free agents flopped. See RayRay Anderson, Dunta RobbinUs, Tyson Jackson, Steven Jackson, Paul Soliai, Osi Umenyiora, you name it.

It was not a few draft picks traded to acquire Julio Jones that led to a 10-22 run in 2013- 2014, the problem was lack of direction. The fact is, TDs Julio Jones trade is looking more prescient as time goes by. The idea we could not have built our depth in 2013-2014 is absurd after watching what happened this offseason.

The direction was set. Play smash mouth ball, BBDB defense and limit mistakes. He changed the direction to “go explosive at all costs”. If you don’t think some five pick combination of Justin Houston, Demarco Murray, Kevin Zeitler, Virgil Green, Torrey Smith, Cam Jordan, Randall Cobb, Brandon Boykin, Jimmy Smith, Jabaal Sheard, Kyle Rudolph, David Decastro, Keven Zeitler, Muhammad Wilkerson, Orlando Franklin, Julius Thomas, Richard Sherman, Lavonte David, or Alshon Jeffrey would have made us a better team then I can’t help you bro. And don’t start with the hindsight bush it. Even I had most of those prospects on my big board.

[dirtybird2k5]

There she is...

[GTBF54]

Revisiting The Defunct "selecting Julio Jones Wiped Out Our Depth" Argument

Where is our depth at free safety, cornerback and OG? Let’s just hope we stay healthy and don’t have to find out. Collins or Southward at corner would be scary. I don’t even know who our back up free safety is. It better not be Ish. I really hope we never see R Stone at LG again.

Once TD had a clear cut direction on what type of defensive and offensive schemes we were implementing, he was able to acquire a dozen or more good players for the scheme in a single offseason.

The last time Dimi had control of the roster he was given clear direction to go find enough LBs to run a 3-4 defense. He drafted four LBs and signed a couple others. After assessing his acquisitions the coaching staff immediately decided they needed to move to a nickel base. All but one of those LBs were off the roster a year later. The last one may rarely be active on the game day roster.

The argument that is was a mere few draft picks we gave up to acquire Pro Bowl WR Julio Jones that tanked our 2013 and 2014 seasons because It wiped out our depth with no way to recover has been completely shot down in flames. It's indisputable.

A mere few draft picks my as. He gave up two firsts, a second and two fourths bro. That’s starter level depth, not back up. This was after his mentor Bill BillyCheck told him he’d be crazy as hail to do so. He did it anyway. Since then he’s gone 34-31 with one playoff win. His mentor went 50-15, with seven playoff wins and a Lombardi. Jeez.

In fact, trading a few picks in 2011 for the best WR in the NFL, who currently has the highest yards per game in NFL history, who has only played 4 seasons and is just now entering his prime, who was just voted best offensive player in the NFL this week, who ALREADY helped us get 10 yards from a Super Bowl in 2012, who will benefit us for years to come.........the notion that we went 10-22 those years because we couldn't bring in 3 depth players to replace the picks is foolish.

Julio is definitely a beast and will continue to get better if he stays healthy. Having him on the roster has not given us rest, just 34-31 and unrest. Edelman, Tate, Boldin and Cruz were the number one WRs on the four Super Bowl Championship teams of the Julio era. Neither of them cost five picks and $63M guaranteed. In fact, he may be the only WR in the history of the NFL that cost his team that much.

Drafting your stud players like Ryan, Mathews, Trufant, Julio, Beasley and so forth is MUCH smarter than acquiring big became FAs who prospected elsewhere, move to other teams with gigantic salary cap hits and flop. We instead resigned Julio who has already proven he is successful, here in Atlanta, no bust risk at all.

Not all big name free agents flop. See Reggie White, Julius Peppers, Peyton Manning, Priest Holmes, Keenan McCardell, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, Curtis Martin, Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Deion Sanders, etc. When Dimi was in charge of our roster, most of his big name free agents flopped. See RayRay Anderson, Dunta RobbinUs, Tyson Jackson, Steven Jackson, Paul Soliai, Osi Umenyiora, you name it.

It was not a few draft picks traded to acquire Julio Jones that led to a 10-22 run in 2013- 2014, the problem was lack of direction. The fact is, TDs Julio Jones trade is looking more prescient as time goes by. The idea we could not have built our depth in 2013-2014 is absurd after watching what happened this offseason.

The direction was set. Play smash mouth ball, BBDB defense and limit mistakes. He changed the direction to “go explosive at all costs”. If you don’t think some five pick combination of Justin Houston, Demarco Murray, Kevin Zeitler, Virgil Green, Torrey Smith, Cam Jordan, Randall Cobb, Brandon Boykin, Jimmy Smith, Jabaal Sheard, Kyle Rudolph, David Decastro, Keven Zeitler, Muhammad Wilkerson, Orlando Franklin, Julius Thomas, Richard Sherman, Lavonte David, or Alshon Jeffrey would have made us a better team then I can’t help you bro. And don’t start with the hindsight bush it. Even I had most of those prospects on my big board.

LMAO................

[gazoo]

Lol, FFS70s argument above could be applied to virtually every NFL team. Of course, he can't see that and I don't think anyone would expect him to based on his history.

[vel]

Yo FFS1970, still waiting on a response to this:

Here's the problem with your flawed logic:

A 3-4 defense uses 2 off ball LBs playing ILB. Correct?

A 4-2-5 defense uses 2 off ball LBs.

The same LBs that we used in the 4-2-5 was the same LBs they saw when they used the 3-4.

Therefore, your argument is wrong, to put it nicely. I don't get how you thought this made sense. If Worrilow and Shembo, for example, trotted out in a 3-4 alignment, they were the same ones trotting out in a 4-2-5 alignment. The OLBs in a 3-4 are just pass rushers. Your DEs are just standing up vs hand in the dirt.

So I'm missing what personnel would have scared Nolan like you try and assume.

[JD dirtybird21]

FFS1970, here is the problem with your logic:

- You assume that the draft picks that TD traded away would have been automatic great picks. Like starters or even better. However, Cleveland's choices with those picks PROVE you wrong. Atlanta could have drafted one or even three of the several players you constantly list, but there were 400 other guys that are consisdered busts or non-factors on their teams. The odds say that the Falcons draft mostly players that wouldn't be contributors but rather just bench warmers that wouldn't be on the team after 2 seasons or so. But you make comments like: would you rather have Julio Jones? Or Demarco Murray, Justin Houston, Randall Cobb, or Richard Sherman? TROFFED. It's seriously the most ignorant logic I've ever seen

- Julio Jones is basically the best receiver in the NFL. He continues to shine and put himself on the spotlight. Mike Freeman wrote an article after Monday Night's win against Philly that Julio is easily the best receiver in the league. You constantly refer to Julio as a one trick pony. But he's actually a top 10 player in the NFL.

Julio is the best at his position and he plays for our team. Deal with it

[vel]

FFS1970, here is the problem with your logic:

- You assume that the draft picks that TD traded away would have been automatic great picks. Like starters or even better. However, Cleveland's choices with those picks PROVE you wrong. Atlanta could have drafted one or even three of the several players you constantly list, but there were 400 other guys that are consisdered busts or non-factors on their teams. The odds say that the Falcons draft mostly players that wouldn't be contributors but rather just bench warmers that wouldn't be on the team after 2 seasons or so. But you make comments like: would you rather have Julio Jones? Or Demarco Murray, Justin Houston, Randall Cobb, or Richard Sherman? TROFFED. It's seriously the most ignorant logic I've ever seen

- Julio Jones is basically the best receiver in the NFL. He continues to shine and put himself on the spotlight. Mike Freeman wrote an article after Monday Night's win against Philly that Julio is easily the best receiver in the league. You constantly refer to Julio as a one trick pony. But he's actually a top 10 player in the NFL.

Julio is the best at his position and he plays for our team. Deal with it

What doesn't help his argument is hindsight. He wants to ignore it, yet mentions guys like Richard Sherman, a big time unknown at the time of the draft. Carroll took him because he recruited him at USC. It's stupid stuff like that. He'd take guys rounds early based on the info he has now. It's pure hindsight.

[gazoo]

FFS70 threw up a huge multi paragraph smokescreen to obscure the fact his argument that we tanked in 2013-2014 due to not being able to restock depth from the Julio trade has been flat out discredited.

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

Only thing I disagree with is that the change in direction and JJ decision...was Blanks idea/wish.

Parcells explains this when pointing out his issues with Blank and not taking the job.

No surprise the chewing out AB gave TD and MS when 2011 playoffs failed to score on offense.

AB threw TD/MS under the bus.

IMHO, Belichek was asked because TD wanted a strong retort to AB.

AB went full steam ahead anyway.

Revisiting The Defunct "selecting Julio Jones Wiped Out Our Depth" Argument

Where is our depth at free safety, cornerback and OG? Let’s just hope we stay healthy and don’t have to find out. Collins or Southward at corner would be scary. I don’t even know who our back up free safety is. It better not be Ish. I really hope we never see R Stone at LG again.

Once TD had a clear cut direction on what type of defensive and offensive schemes we were implementing, he was able to acquire a dozen or more good players for the scheme in a single offseason.

The last time Dimi had control of the roster he was given clear direction to go find enough LBs to run a 3-4 defense. He drafted four LBs and signed a couple others. After assessing his acquisitions the coaching staff immediately decided they needed to move to a nickel base. All but one of those LBs were off the roster a year later. The last one may rarely be active on the game day roster.The argument that is was a mere few draft picks we gave up to acquire Pro Bowl WR Julio Jones that tanked our 2013 and 2014 seasons because It wiped out our depth with no way to recover has been completely shot down in flames. It's indisputable.

A mere few draft picks my as. He gave up two firsts, a second and two fourths bro. That’s starter level depth, not back up. This was after his mentor Bill BillyCheck told him he’d be crazy as hail to do so. He did it anyway. Since then he’s gone 34-31 with one playoff win. His mentor went 50-15, with seven playoff wins and a Lombardi. Jeez.In fact, trading a few picks in 2011 for the best WR in the NFL, who currently has the highest yards per game in NFL history, who has only played 4 seasons and is just now entering his prime, who was just voted best offensive player in the NFL this week, who ALREADY helped us get 10 yards from a Super Bowl in 2012, who will benefit us for years to come.........the notion that we went 10-22 those years because we couldn't bring in 3 depth players to replace the picks is foolish.

Julio is definitely a beast and will continue to get better if he stays healthy. Having him on the roster has not given us rest, just 34-31 and unrest. Edelman, Tate, Boldin and Cruz were the number one WRs on the four Super Bowl Championship teams of the Julio era. Neither of them cost five picks and $63M guaranteed. In fact, he may be the only WR in the history of the NFL that cost his team that much.Drafting your stud players like Ryan, Mathews, Trufant, Julio, Beasley and so forth is MUCH smarter than acquiring big became FAs who prospected elsewhere, move to other teams with gigantic salary cap hits and flop. We instead resigned Julio who has already proven he is successful, here in Atlanta, no bust risk at all.

Not all big name free agents flop. See Reggie White, Julius Peppers, Peyton Manning, Priest Holmes, Keenan McCardell, Rod Woodson, Shannon Sharpe, Curtis Martin, Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, Deion Sanders, etc. When Dimi was in charge of our roster, most of his big name free agents flopped. See RayRay Anderson, Dunta RobbinUs, Tyson Jackson, Steven Jackson, Paul Soliai, Osi Umenyiora, you name it.It was not a few draft picks traded to acquire Julio Jones that led to a 10-22 run in 2013- 2014, the problem was lack of direction. The fact is, TDs Julio Jones trade is looking more prescient as time goes by. The idea we could not have built our depth in 2013-2014 is absurd after watching what happened this offseason.

The direction was set. Play smash mouth ball, BBDB defense and limit mistakes. He changed the direction to “go explosive at all costs”. If you don’t think some five pick combination of Justin Houston, Demarco Murray, Kevin Zeitler, Virgil Green, Torrey Smith, Cam Jordan, Randall Cobb, Brandon Boykin, Jimmy Smith, Jabaal Sheard, Kyle Rudolph, David Decastro, Keven Zeitler, Muhammad Wilkerson, Orlando Franklin, Julius Thomas, Richard Sherman, Lavonte David, or Alshon Jeffrey would have made us a better team then I can’t help you bro. And don’t start with the hindsight bush it. Even I had most of those prospects on my big board.

[Power I]

Here's the thing. That trade happened in 2011. It's 2015. The result is this: we have a top 5 (at worst) wide receiver entering his prime with the top head coaching candidate of the off-season, after drafting a top ten left tackle and top ten defensive end the last two years. The arrow is pointed nowhere but straight up. You can moan and complain about a few depth players, but that trade hasn't stopped us from having an extremely bright future with one of the best players in the NFL leading the way.