Ap Poll

[Falconsfan567]

How did Missouri nearly lose to Arkansas State and only drop 1 spot in the AP poll? Auburn was rightly punished by dropping 12 spots to 18.

[JayOzOne]

Polls are ridiculous in general. To whit: why would an underdog ever drop if they lost to a team with a better ranking? Isn't that what's supposed to happen? And the coaches' poll is especially dumb. The coaches don't even vote until it's in their best interest (giving teams higher or lower rankings if it improves their chances).

So, somebody clearly is willing to give Mizzou the benefit of the doubt, likely for self-serving reasons. My guess is SEC supporters who want to limit the fallout from the humbling weekend results.

[Porter Osborne Jr]

Maybe because they played at Arkansas State and didn't go to overtime? Or maybe because it was a night game and the media had all day to talk about it. Who knows.

[SacFalcFan]

How did Missouri nearly lose to Arkansas State and only drop 1 spot in the AP poll? Auburn was rightly punished by dropping 12 spots to 18.

arkansas state is an fbs squad and while i agree missouri had no business almost losing that game i don't think they should be hurt as bad since they are already ranked 22nd in the top 25. now if missouri was say ranked 8th i would agree with you that they should fall further than 1 spot because even on the road a team like missouri shouldn't be that close to a team like arkansas state. i have a problem btw with a team like msu falling out of the top 25 losing to a higher ranked team. when was it a rule that a team had to fall out of the top 25 due to losing to a team ranked much higher than them? especially a close 2 point loss like that.

[Falconsfan567]

arkansas state is an fbs squad and while i agree missouri had no business almost losing that game i don't think they should be hurt as bad since they are already ranked 22nd in the top 25. now if missouri was say ranked 8th i would agree with you that they should fall further than 1 spot because even on the road a team like missouri shouldn't be that close to a team like arkansas state. i have a problem btw with a team like msu falling out of the top 25 losing to a higher ranked team. when was it a rule that a team had to fall out of the top 25 due to losing to a team ranked much higher than them? especially a close 2 point loss like that.

I agree about MSU dropping out. That's ridiculous. MSU should be ranked. Missouri should not. Just my opinion about it. If they played each other MSU would win.

[SacFalcFan]

I agree about MSU dropping out. That's ridiculous. MSU should be ranked. Missouri should not. Just my opinion about it. If they played each other MSU would win.

i agree, i don't see an issue with msu being ranked and missouri not being ranked.. i think msu has shown us more than missouri has.

[Carter]

The bad byproduct of valuing the win-loss record above anything else. At the top it matters for determining who belongs in the playoff picture, but deeper in the rankings it shouldn't be as big of a deal. My first thought on these rankings was why did Mississippi State drop out from losing so closely to a higher ranked team.

I still think this current playoff system has the potential to be worse than the BCS because of that. Florida State did not belong in the playoff, got bounced in spectacular fashion. Baylor or TCU would have been far better.

[youngbloodz]

Even with the BCS an undefeated FSU team would have made it over a 1 loss TCU or 1 loss Baylor

[Carter]

Even with the BCS an undefeated FSU team would have made it over a 1 loss TCU or 1 loss Baylor

Last year's BCS title game would have been Florida State vs Alabama. Well maybe Baylor since they were undefeated... more than likely Bama though.

I'm not really using last year strictly... a playoff is progress. I can just see the potential for it to be worse because they are making the rules up as they go with regard to who deserves it vs who doesn't. ESPN is going to play a huge role in perception there.

[SacFalcFan]

Last year's BCS title game would have been Florida State vs Alabama. Well maybe Baylor since they were undefeated... more than likely Bama though.

I'm not really using last year strictly... a playoff is progress. I can just see the potential for it to be worse because they are making the rules up as they go with regard to who deserves it vs who doesn't. ESPN is going to play a huge role in perception there.

baylor wasn't undefeated.. you are right though it would have been fsu verses alabama which would have meant that one of the first round loser would have won the title.. i really think we saw that happen a few times the past 5 years..

[Carter]

baylor wasn't undefeated.. you are right though it would have been fsu verses alabama which would have meant that one of the first round loser would have won the title.. i really think we saw that happen a few times the past 5 years..

Oh shoot you're right lol I forgot they lost bad to WVU... I feel dumb now, I even argued for TCU to be in over them because of that. Derp.

But yeah, FSU vs Alabama, the losers bracket. I think this is going to be a crazy season... should be very interesting come late November.

[Porter Osborne Jr]

The bigger fanbases will always make it in before the TCUs and Baylors of the world.

[SacFalcFan]

The bigger fanbases will always make it in before the TCUs and Baylors of the world.

that's what happened when bama played lsu again.. imo that game should have never happened.. that was brand recognition over who was more deserving. if you looked at team resumes alabama has no business being in the title game over a few other teams that had one loss.

[JayOzOne]

Didn't the coaches' poll get funny late in the season about ten years ago when somebody inexplicably dropped (thought it was Georgia) and Notre Dame somehow benefited from it? Too much money and politics in college football.

[Falconsfan567]

Missouri is horrible Been saying that a lot this year about SEC teams. Definitely looking like only the 3rd or 4th best conference this year

[LMNOP]

Missouri is horrible Been saying that a lot this year about SEC teams. Definitely looking like only the 3rd or 4th best conference this year

Wait what?

What conferences would you put ahead of us?

I mean I agree that the SEC is definitely down from last year but we still have 6 maybe 7 quality teams in the conference. When you look at the other conferences they just don't have that kind of depth.

[Falconsfan567]

Wait what?

What conferences would you put ahead of us?

I mean I agree that the SEC is definitely down from last year but we still have 6 maybe 7 quality teams in the conference. When you look at the other conferences they just don't have that kind of depth.

6 or 7 quality teams? Who? Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss and Alabama are the only legit teams the SEC has. I need to see more from Texas A&M before I put them in that group. The rest aren't even worth mentioning. The Pac-12 has UCLA, Stanford, Oregon and USC and maybe Arizona.

EDIT: Forgot about Utah, they're pretty good too.

[LMNOP]

I'd consider Tennessee and A&M quality.

Florida could be by the end of the year.

USC lost to Stanford who lost to Northwestern and Oregan played a close game with Georgia State until late and nearly lost to an Eastern Washington team essentially playing with a back up QB.

So it's not like we're the only conference who doesn't look perfect week in and week out.

There is no doubt the SEC is still the top conference in the country, losing ground maybe, but undoubtedly still the kings of the sport.

[Falconsfan567]

I'd consider Tennessee and A&M quality.

Florida could be by the end of the year.

USC lost to Stanford who lost to Northwestern and Oregan played a close game with Georgia State until late and nearly lost to an Eastern Washington team essentially playing with a back up QB.

So it's not like we're the only conference who doesn't look perfect week in and week out.

There is no doubt the SEC is still the top conference in the country, losing ground maybe, but undoubtedly still the kings of the sport.

Northwestern is legit bro.

Oregon was playing without their starting QB against Georgia State and no they did not nearly lose to Eastern Washington.

Tennessee and Florida haven't done a thing to make me consider them legit. Pac-12 is better this year.

[LMNOP]

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Ten, our 6th best team, should have beaten the Big 10's 3rd team while A&M did beat one of the best teams in the Pac 12, so I'd consider them both at worst above average teams.

Let's not forget the Pac 12 is also home to WSU, Washington, Colorado, and Oregon state.

And regardless of whether you acknowledge it or not Oregon definitely got a scare from EWU

There's no reason that that team should be able to score that many points on them.

[Falconsfan567]

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Ten, our 6th best team, should have beaten the Big 10's 3rd team while A&M did beat one of the best teams in the Pac 12, so I'd consider them both at worst above average teams.

Let's not forget the Pac 12 is also home to WSU, Washington, Colorado, and Oregon state.

And regardless of whether you acknowledge it or not Oregon definitely got a scare from EWU

There's no reason that that team should be able to score that many points on them.

Nowhere did I even mention the Big Ten so I don't even know where that comment came from.

Also did not mention Arizona State when I mentioned those Pac-12 teams I listed. So clearly I don't think they're legit.

Ok, even if you want to say Oregon got a scare against Eastern Washington (not that I considering winning 61-42 a scare especially when EWU got a garbage TD with 2:35 left to make it closer), remember that Oregon's QB was knocked out of that game. That matters. As is Oregon's QB not even playing against Georgia State, a game they were up 33-7 at halftime and ended up winning 61-28.

[Carter]

Pac 12 and SEC are the only respectable conferences in terms of depth. I think it's too early to make any determination about which one is better, it's barely week 4.

• Big 12 is Baylor and TCU's show... which should tell you all you need to know about the Big 12. Oklahoma is going to lose two or three games this year. No one behind them is worth talking about.
• Big Ten is Ohio State and Michigan State and with each passing week MSU looks like the only great team in that conference.
• ACC is Florida State and Clemson, with Notre Dame scheduled to beat up on half of them from now on. BC looks like they could make some noise in the conference but nothing major.

This is always going to be a highly debated topic because the evidence will never be conclusive until bowl season. I think at this point the Pac 12 and SEC are neck and neck and as the season goes on the cream will rise to the top and we'll see who is legit. Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M... Tennessee and Mississippi State perhaps fringe in that discussion. UCLA, Oregon, USC... Arizona, Stanford and Utah fringe there. The bottom half of both conferences is bad, but I think the Pac 12 cellar is a lot darker. Arkansas might be the only team in the SEC that is truly "terrible."

[Falconsfan567]

Pac 12 and SEC are the only respectable conferences in terms of depth. I think it's too early to make any determination about which one is better, it's barely week 4.

• Big 12 is Baylor and TCU's show... which should tell you all you need to know about the Big 12. Oklahoma is going to lose two or three games this year. No one behind them is worth talking about.
• Big Ten is Ohio State and Michigan State and with each passing week MSU looks like the only great team in that conference.
• ACC is Florida State and Clemson, with Notre Dame scheduled to beat up on half of them from now on. BC looks like they could make some noise in the conference but nothing major.

This is always going to be a highly debated topic because the evidence will never be conclusive until bowl season. I think at this point the Pac 12 and SEC are neck and neck and as the season goes on the cream will rise to the top and we'll see who is legit. Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss, Alabama, Texas A&M... Tennessee and Mississippi State perhaps fringe in that discussion. UCLA, Oregon, USC... Arizona, Stanford and Utah fringe there. The bottom half of both conferences is bad, but I think the Pac 12 cellar is a lot darker. Arkansas might be the only team in the SEC that is truly "terrible."

Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Missouri, Auburn are all truly terrible!!

[LMNOP]

I made a mistake.

I meant Big 12, referring to Oklahoma, but I would say it's relevant to the discussion, when you said the SEC could be the third best conference.

Regardless, like Carter said it will play out.

10/14 is always going to be better then 8/12 though.

[Falconsfan567]

I made a mistake.

I meant Big 12, referring to Oklahoma, but I would say it's relevant to the discussion, when you said the SEC could be the third best conference.

Regardless, like Carter said it will play out.

10/14 is always going to be better then 8/12 though.

I don't think the SEC has 10 quality teams in it. Clearly you guys think teams like Tennessee, Florida, and Mississippi State are better than I do. I've made it pretty clear that I think at the very most the SEC has 5 quality teams this year and the rest are just there. I think the Pac-12 has at least 6 quality teams and maybe even 7 or 8.