etherdome Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) Tommy Dimitroff gets a lot of criticism for his picks. You know, some of the criticism is deserved. He has done a miserable job of building an OL for the team's franchise QB. Truth be told, Tommy is not the greatest personnel guy in the league. But that does not mean that he can't be the greatest GM in the NFL. Fans tend to believe that the most important trait of a GM is finding the best players. Certainly, that is an important part of his job, but the GM needs to manage the cap, project and plan for the future, develop a medical corp to treat and prevent injuries, organize the infrastructure needed for training, coordinate travel, acquire any resources that may give the team an edge, and many other details that I can't even imagine. I think that Tommy excels at several of those jobs, but I am disappointed to find out that he has dropped the ball, when it comes to finding a competitive edge for his team. The man that brought the force plate and biometrics to Flowery Branch, has failed to bring virtual reality to the Falcons. On Monday night, the Falcons will play the Eagles, but there is a second game: Niners vs. Vikings. That game is being dubbed "the virtual bowl." The Vikings and Niners have been using a virtual reality program called STRIVR to simulate game conditions for their players. In other words, their players have been simulating game schemes and conditions, so that they will understand the game better and play more cohesively. Here is one link about the technology: http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/article34677831.html The Falcons have been shuffling OL's all off season. They also moved to an OL scheme that requires cohesive play among all of the OL. Why on earth wouldn't the Falcons use this promising technology to help their patchwork OL gell more quickly? Several teams signed up for STRIVR: Niners, Vikings, Cowboys, Saints, and Giants. You would think that a GM with spiked hair would be the first guy to try this technological advancement. Is this another missed opportunity? Why are the Falcons not on board the VR train? Edited September 12, 2015 by etherdome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droopy1592 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Is it proven to create success ? Those teams using it at the top yet? It could be wasting time while our team is cramming to learn new systems with new players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Too early to say for sure, but that is the whole point. To give your team a competitive edge, you have to be on the edge. You have to adopt new ideas ahead of your competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wleggett Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 right now they're saying only the 49'ers QB's have used it and if I understood correctly it's just a 3d model of what the scout team did during the filming. The big question would be is it only going to replay what the scout team did exactly each time. It would seem more beneficial to me to have it so you could change it up and be completely random for example you have one look and if you want to simulate a blitzer the person running the sim could select which actually blitzed. Once again my understand to get that the scout team would have to run the same play each time and have a different person blitz. I'm sure as time goes on it'll become more useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Harvey Oswald Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Dimitroff has failed. The faster you can get him out of here, the quicker we can move forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 I heard a report about this on public radio. The program can be used by any position on the team. In other words, our OL could have been using this technology to learn how to block a wide variety of defensive formations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 Here is another article: http://fortune.com/2015/08/10/strivr-virtual-reality-nfl/ Hey Tommy, stop pedaling and pay attention! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Somebody has to drive the "train"if the train has bad brakes He is responsible for seeing that the brakes get fixedIf a team is picking bad players (or not developing players or misusing players) it's driver (GM) should see to it that the problem gets fixed ie new personnel manager, new scouts, new coaches etcIF the driver (GM) does not fix it there will be a new driver soonit's the old Harry Truman thing "the buck stops here"if the pres doesn't fix it there will be a new pres soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delaigle Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Why does everyone LIMIT draft failures to the O-line????08 11 picks 2 still here Ryan Bierman QB, DE09 8 picks 1 still here Moore DB10 7 picks no-one still here11 6 picks 2 still here Jones Bosher WR, P12 6 picks 1 still here Holmes OL38 picks 6 still here3 offense, 2 Defense 1 Special teams13/14/15 yea most are still here (for now but how long/)Doesn't look good at all positioins not just O-=linedisclaimer I admit I have no idea how well other teams do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 I thought Tommy was more of an early adopter of new technologies. I am just wondering why he has not jumped on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm not a big believer in this one. The biggest things are communication and physical cohesion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 I'm not a big believer in this one. The biggest things are communication and physical cohesion. A VR program, that allows OL's to quickly go through many blocking scenarios, would hasten OL cohesion. Kinks in blocking schemes can be worked out and perfected before anyone steps on the field. Our OL could already be in mid-season form. And, every back-up would have sufficient training to step into the fray, in case of injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring It Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Why does everyone LIMIT draft failures to the O-line???? 08 11 picks 2 still here Ryan Bierman QB, DE 09 8 picks 1 still here Moore DB 10 7 picks no-one still here 11 6 picks 2 still here Jones Bosher WR, P 12 6 picks 1 still here Holmes OL 38 picks 6 still here 3 offense, 2 Defense 1 Special teams 13/14/15 yea most are still here (for now but how long/) Doesn't look good at all positioins not just O-=line disclaimer I admit I have no idea how well other teams do In fairness to TD........when he was hired by Blank he was living in Colorado someplace communing with nature and smoking "who knows what". So, for '08 thru '12 we have to allow for all that foreign substance to clear his system and then working for AB he learned that he had to ditch all his Bongs and Pipes, etc. So, by 2013 his head became clear and he started to see the difference between Football and Triathlon. Just needed a little time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jngbirdman Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 From what I understand about this vr program is that it was geared toward the question position and that that all it would do for now would be to allow the players to see as many "looks" versus as many plays as the company has recorded. It has generic plays versus generic play but to give a game planned play it would have to be recorded the exact way they will run it vs. all the looks the other team will use. Very time consuming but it seems like a great way to give young Quaterbacks a ton of looks that more closely resemble what they would see on the feild. Great for caper nick but not really as needed for ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 From what I understand about this vr program is that it was geared toward the question position and that that all it would do for now would be to allow the players to see as many "looks" versus as many plays as the company has recorded. It has generic plays versus generic play but to give a game planned play it would have to be recorded the exact way they will run it vs. all the looks the other team will use. Very time consuming but it seems like a great way to give young Quaterbacks a ton of looks that more closely resemble what they would see on the feild. Great for caper nick but not really as needed for ryan The point is that this is a new technology that has great potential. In the short run, this has value in making practices more EFFICIENT (tip of the hat to Smitty). By this time next year, our team could have a dossier of every DC's schemes and know how to attack them, from the OL and QB standpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jngbirdman Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 Or wait until next year after someone else has went thru the effort of building the data base and then buy in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etherdome Posted September 12, 2015 Author Share Posted September 12, 2015 The program alllows players to experience playing conditions repeatedly, without risk of injury or fatigue. This program could have "matured" our OL much more quickly. And, in the future, it will develop into an indispensable tool to develop every player on the field. This thing will turn out to be a game changer. I can't believe that our spiked-haired GM has not provided Quinn with this tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The program alllows players to experience playing conditions repeatedly, without risk of injury or fatigue. This program could have "matured" our OL much more quickly. And, in the future, it will develop into an indispensable tool to develop every player on the field.This thing will turn out to be a game changer. I can't believe that our spiked-haired GM has not provided Quinn with this tool.If Quinn wanted it Quinn would have it. I'm sure they knew about it long before you. Quinn reports to Blank remember? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I thought Tommy was more of an early adopter of new technologies. I am just wondering why he has not jumped on this.Exactly my thoughts. Just too unproven to even bother with it at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 (edited) Why does everyone LIMIT draft failures to the O-line????08 11 picks 2 still here Ryan Bierman QB, DE09 8 picks 1 still here Moore DB10 7 picks no-one still here11 6 picks 2 still here Jones Bosher WR, P12 6 picks 1 still here Holmes OL38 picks 6 still here3 offense, 2 Defense 1 Special teams13/14/15 yea most are still here (for now but how long/)Doesn't look good at all positioins not just O-=linedisclaimer I admit I have no idea how well other teams do I agree with the initial premise here, but you're literally calling a player that hasn't been on the roster for over 7 years an automatic failure? This is just a little short sighted. I also agree with the final point. Edited September 13, 2015 by Atlfanstckndenver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirdieBirdieIndie Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 We are considering using the STRIVR....http://atlantafalcons.blog.ajc.com/2015/06/08/report-falcons-to-consider-using-drones-to-virtually-enhance-practice-film/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Falcon Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Well Quinn has the last say on personnel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ukfalc Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 I am all for trying out anything that we think might give us even the smallest edge over other teams. I am a firm believer in the concept of "marginal gains as employed with huge success by British cycling and cycling team Sky. You analyse the absolute minutiae of everything that you do in great detail to see if you can find slightly better way of doing things, even if the benefits appear small - because a lot of small gains when added together, will make a difference. At the moment it sounds like this VR system is at a very early stage in its adoption and developement. According to media articles, teams like SF and Dallas that are utilising it, are only making very limited us of it, so we not be missing out on much at all. I am sure that we will soon be onboard, if we think that we can be fit from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allknowing Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Is it proven to create success ? Those teams using it at the top yet? It could be wasting time while our team is cramming to learn new systems with new players.might as well adopt it now. in 10-20 years VR technology is going to be mind blowing. our organization needs to become familiar with it as soon as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted September 13, 2015 Share Posted September 13, 2015 Here is another article:http://fortune.com/2015/08/10/strivr-virtual-reality-nfl/Hey Tommy, stop pedaling and pay attention!1. Why do people care that TD is in shape and rides a bike? It's a lazy criticism.2. Even when the Falcons do something that's cutting edge (see: force plate) everyone still hates it.There is no winning with the people here. It's really sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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