egoprime II Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Fellas...watching the sacks Ryan took last week, it could be my imagination, but...was Ryan trying to wait that extra couple of ticks of time in order to let routes develop downfield? This is no excuse for poor line play, that isn't what I am talking about. I am asking for opinions here. Could Ryan be letting Shanahan take him away from that quick release passing game that has been the -only- reason Ryan has not gotten sacked a lot more the last couple of years? Or is Ryan watching his linemen more than looking downfield (the second question is less likely IMHO...). Or...is Ryan still doing his three step drop fast passing attack? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The O.D.B Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I don't think I would consider 1 Mississip(sack!) waiting for a play to develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJmusic Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Fellas...watching the sacks Ryan took last week, it could be my imagination, but...was Ryan trying to wait that extra couple of ticks of time in order to let routes develop downfield? This is no excuse for poor line play, that isn't what I am talking about. I am asking for opinions here. Could Ryan be letting Shanahan take him away from that quick release passing game that has been the -only- reason Ryan has not gotten sacked a lot more the last couple of years? Or is Ryan watching his linemen more than looking downfield (the second question is less likely IMHO...). Or...is Ryan still doing his three step drop fast passing attack?Problem was he took the three step drop and the line was already blown up. He tries to step up and gets sacked. There was no room to throw the football anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Fellas...watching the sacks Ryan took last week, it could be my imagination, but...was Ryan trying to wait that extra couple of ticks of time in order to let routes develop downfield? This is no excuse for poor line play, that isn't what I am talking about. I am asking for opinions here. Could Ryan be letting Shanahan take him away from that quick release passing game that has been the -only- reason Ryan has not gotten sacked a lot more the last couple of years? Or is Ryan watching his linemen more than looking downfield (the second question is less likely IMHO...). Or...is Ryan still doing his three step drop fast passing attack?Nah, the routes are short and the steps are as well. Can't blame Ryan man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Believe me KOG...I think Ryan would be the last person who wanted to move away from a 3 step drop and throw passing attack. It helps him survive the season. I was wondering if Shanahan might be influencing Ryan to wait a tic or two longer, is all. I am not familar with what Shanahan did in Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
likeriver Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You might be on to something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Believe me KOG...I think Ryan would be the last person who wanted to move away from a 3 step drop and throw passing attack. It helps him survive the season. I was wondering if Shanahan might be influencing Ryan to wait a tic or two longer, is all. I am not familar with what Shanahan did in Washington.Nah, actually the drop backs are shorter and Shanny likes you to get rid of the ball faster. It was the other way around. Koetter encouraged holding the ball, because the routes where longer.I know he didn't have a good WR in the game and the coverage was pretty good tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Ok, thanks KOG. I'm no X's and O's expert, its good to hear from someone who is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Ok, thanks KOG. I'm no X's and O's expert, its good to hear from someone who is. Don't get too worried yet. There is a lot of competition going on and from what I understand (Capt. Obvious type stuff) we are active in looking at both OG and OT in the free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Do you know what really concerns me, KOG? Right now TD is still being evaluated by AB, I'm sure of it. AB probably does not know how much the last two seasons was more Smitty, or TD. No doubt Smitty had to go. That leaves TD. How responsible is TD for letting the talent on this team go to pot? So TD might feel obliged to make some trades. Which is always a sure sign of a GM who knows his job is on the line if his team does not show adequate improvement. TD has traded a 2nd round pick for a TE that TD admitted was only expected to play for two seasons. This is not a wise thing to do even if it was for Gonz. So what kind of trade involving our picks, might TD be contemplating in order to improve our O line? That, is what I am concerned with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Ego I actually see this the other way I think they are looking now for sure but they have waited to see what they really have before pulling the trigger and adding new faces.I think they are still a little undecided what is what upfront and are leaving no stone unturned.The whole beat down processof TD is a little over the top for me as he has bought success and that has never benn seen round here beforeand hence in my eyes has risen the expectation levels alot from our fans hence the love him or hate him that is rampant on the boards.For me winning & losing is a collabrative process alot of things are involved and not 1 person is responsible.The buck may well stop somewhere but what alot of people don't do is take in the whole picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 (edited) Nah in the Miami game it looked to me more like a couple of wrong protection calls and Stone, Person and Schraeder losing one on one battles. Edited September 3, 2015 by FentayeJones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 A go route in this offense can be thrown off a 3 step drop and is a 30-40 yard pass when it is. If Ryan was giving routes time to develop it would only be because they're working on the deeper routes and deeper drops, which didn't appear to be the case. The line just got obliterated. They'll fix it with some slants and screens and it will be fine. I think the real issue is it looked like we didn't game plan. We treated this like another evaluation game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 A go route in this offense can be thrown off a 3 step drop and is a 30-40 yard pass when it is.If Ryan was giving routes time to develop it would only be because they're working on the deeper routes and deeper drops, which didn't appear to be the case. The line just got obliterated. They'll fix it with some slants and screens and it will be fine.I think the real issue is it looked like we didn't game plan. We treated this like another evaluation game.I'd like to know if they didn't game plan at all or, if they DID game plan, once it was obvious the Oline couldn't hold up, Quinn said, screw this get Ryan outta there, lets treat this like game two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon@Denmark Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 They were all sacks by design. Dan Quinn wanted to evaluate our defense and you can't do that with our offense on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman71 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Matt didnt have his best weapons to avoid the sacks. No julio,no roddy and no freeman. And Matthews dealing with a strain back. It would have helped the oline some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Matt didnt have his best weapons to avoid the sacks. No julio,no roddy and no freeman. And Matthews dealing with a strain back. It would have helped the oline some.Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Julio in the slot could not have helped that offensive line last Saturday - it was a beatdown of epic proportions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Heya kiwifalcon...as much as I respect you as a poster, we are gonna end up disagreeing concerning TDs impact on our team. It is my contention that our team won in spite of TDs horrid drafting and FA signings. The list of TDs failures and oversights is way to long for me to think otherwise. Our last two offseasons have seen our Falcons sign nine players in FA who are expected to start for us. This is what teams that don't draft well end up doing. There is enough blame to go around too, from Smitty, to TD, especially AB, whose lack of direction for this team is all too evident in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egoprime II Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 g-dawg, I have a question for you. As I recall, in preseason 2013 after Clabo and McClure left, many posters here thought our O line looked like garbage. TD and Smitty got the wake up call when Cincy scrimmaged with us and blew up our O line, then the preseason games came. My question...does our O line now look better or worse than our O line in 2013 preseason did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Flight Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Jake stone got rekt all game long. It's all his fault! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 g-dawg, I have a question for you. As I recall, in preseason 2013 after Clabo and McClure left, many posters here thought our O line looked like garbage. TD and Smitty got the wake up call when Cincy scrimmaged with us and blew up our O line, then the preseason games came. My question...does our O line now look better or worse than our O line in 2013 preseason did?Trick question. That is like being the tallest midget in the room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I'd like to know if they didn't game plan at all or, if they DID game plan, once it was obvious the Oline couldn't hold up, Quinn said, screw this get Ryan outta there, lets treat this like game two. If they game planned, well, I can only hope they learned from it. If they prepared for that defense with no screens in the gameplan, then I have to wonder what they were thinking. Though, as I said in another post, the WCO scripts the first 15-20 plays or so. It could well be that they were trying to see how the Dolphins would play them and then begin to adjust. The offense did move significantly better with Yates under center. That could be because the starting defense was out, but it could also be that this is the point where Shanny began to make adjustments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Minotaur Zebra Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I'd like to know if they didn't game plan at all or, if they DID game plan, once it was obvious the Oline couldn't hold up, Quinn said, screw this get Ryan outta there, lets treat this like game two.I'd put 5 bucks on this being the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⚡Slumerican⚡ Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 That's why we need Vick, Ryan isn't as good throwing while running for his life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Believe me KOG...I think Ryan would be the last person who wanted to move away from a 3 step drop and throw passing attack. It helps him survive the season. I was wondering if Shanahan might be influencing Ryan to wait a tic or two longer, is all. I am not familar with what Shanahan did in Washington.You know good and well Shanny is NOT influencing Ryan to wait...LOL...Ryan does that on his own. However, like everyone here is saying...he didn't have the time to step into his throws. Ryan can get the ball out pretty quickly...Just go back and watch a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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