MSalmon Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 This may have already been posted, but I don't recall seeing it. Regardless, it's a great breakdown of how great Matt has been for our franchise.Even I tend to hold the kid to unreal standards--but wow he's been quietly effective in an age of great QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Bree's!http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/3/23/8272903/matt-ryan-stats-rankings-and-milestones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 That is pretty impressive. I really think the folks who like to pin our failures on the guy are so far off base all it says is troll or ignorant to anything regarding football. He is about as far from the problem this franchise has had since the beginning as any one player can get. That isn't me saying he hasn't made his share of mistakes and is above criticism either. Matt Ryan is probably hands down one of the if not the best thing to ever happen to the Atlanta Falcons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 That is pretty impressive. I really think the folks who like to pin our failures on the guy are so far off base all it says is troll or ignorant to anything regarding football. He is about as far from the problem this franchise has had since the beginning as any one player can get. That isn't me saying he hasn't made his share of mistakes and is above criticism either. Matt Ryan is probably hands down one of the if not the best thing to ever happen to the Atlanta Falcons.I agree. I just hope that Quinn gets him that defense necessary to win a super bowl for Matt. Call me overly optimistic but if Matt continues his statistical pace and wins a SB . I think he's a HOFer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wleggett Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 This may have already been posted, but I don't recall seeing it. Regardless, it's a great breakdown of how great Matt has been for our franchise.Even I tend to hold the kid to unreal standards--but wow he's been quietly effective in an age of great QBs like Manning, Brady, Rodgers and Bree's!http://www.thefalcoholic.com/2015/3/23/8272903/matt-ryan-stats-rankings-and-milestonesI'm still trying to forget that 49ers game. Truly a tale of two halves and we had no business losing that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 And before the "negative nancy" anti-Matt Ryan trolls get on here and say "well Matt isn't better than romo, Eli, Big Ben and rivers." I'd like to point out that our 29 yr old QB is 4-5 yrs younger than all I listed and is on pace for 57k TDs and 362 TDs if he DOESNT improve as he ages. Now consider this: most QBs including the ones I listed and let's include Manning and Brady in this convo, really hit their stride in year 8 or so. So Matt is in his prime and surpassed all but manning in terms of stats by in his first 8 years. And his career stats were very comparable to Peyton in his first 8 yearsIf you don't think Matt is a special talent--then seriously reevaluate how you view QBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 I'm still trying to forget that 49ers game. Truly a tale of two halves and we had no business losing that game.Yeah that was a wasted game from our defense. What's so strange is Roddy was held and Matt nearly pulled off that win. Imagine had HD not stumbled Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnrealfalcoN Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Yeah that was a wasted game from our defense. What's so strange is Roddy was held and Matt nearly pulled off that win. Imagine had HD not stumbled Lot of things went wrong that game. Also Abe, our only pass rusher, was injured in a meaningless week 17 game vs the bucs. The cards just didn't fall in our favor. 😢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriMeTiiMe Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 He also has 12 losses between 2013 and 2014 with a QBR of 85+. 2nd place has 6.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 He also has 12 losses between 2013 and 2014 with a QBR of 85+. 2nd place has 6..........So you pull a small sample size to judge a QBs carer holistically? That is asinine. How many Ints did Manning throw against us in 13? How many Ints did Bree's throw against us I believe in 14? Are they bad QBs because they had horrid games? How bout Flaccos playoff stats pre his SB season? And, yes, Joe is a good QB IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballfan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 NHe also has 12 losses between 2013 and 2014 with a QBR of 85+. 2nd place has 6.......... Aren't those the years 'when the entire starting OL were replaced due to injuries, the two starting WR's were hurt (making Harry freaking Douglas a 1000 yard receiver) the RB's were injured, the defense was starting two UDFA LB's, and the defense was last in the league? Yup, Ryan should have won by himself. He was holding the team back/ purple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 So you pull a small sample size to judge a QBs carer holistically? That is asinine. How many Ints did Manning throw against us in 13? How many Ints did Bree's throw against us I believe in 14? Are they bad QBs because they had horrid games? How bout Flaccos playoff stats pre his SB season? And, yes, Joe is a good QB IMOYou realize that really isn't a dig against Ryan right? Those stats show that even while he's playing at a high level there's 52 other guys that could have been doing more. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbrRomo led all QBs in 2014 with an average rating of 83.6Don't be so sensitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 You realize that really isn't a dig against Ryan right? Those stats show that even while he's playing at a high level there's 52 other guys that could have been doing more. http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbrRomo led all QBs in 2014 with an average rating of 83.6Don't be so sensitive. :blink:Huh? I was replying to prime time I'm ok, regardless of fact. But to pull individual games to judge any QB is myopic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSalmon Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 N Aren't those the years 'when the entire starting OL were replaced due to injuries, the two starting WR's were hurt (making Harry freaking Douglas a 1000 yard receiver) the RB's were injured, the defense was starting two UDFA LB's, and the defense was last in the league? Yup, Ryan should have won by himself. He was holding the team back/ purpleYup. Interesting how one star player playing at a high level is still dependent on the TEAMI think Osi was our leading pass rusher as well on defense. Pretty thin teams those years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Huh? I was replying to prime timeI'm ok, regardless of fact. But to pull individual games to judge any QB is myopic.Right, and I'm defending Prime, he was saying Ryan SHOULD have had more wins. He has 6 more games that were lost than the average with an 80+ QBR. You took what he said and twisted it into a negative. That's not his point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 That is pretty impressive. I really think the folks who like to pin our failures on the guy are so far off base all it says is troll or ignorant to anything regarding football. He is about as far from the problem this franchise has had since the beginning as any one player can get. That isn't me saying he hasn't made his share of mistakes and is above criticism either. Matt Ryan is probably hands down one of the if not the best thing to ever happen to the Atlanta Falcons .Amen Brother Tuggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txfalconfan Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Matt is a great QB. We have to complete the team around him. That's when we will take off again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direwolf Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Right, and I'm defending Prime, he was saying Ryan SHOULD have had more wins. He has 6 more games that were lost than the average with an 80+ QBR. You took what he said and twisted it into a negative. That's not his point. Not quite sure how that makes sense. He should have won more games because he played well in games he lost? All that says to me is that good QB play can't overcome horrific defense in the final analysis. Who was the next quarterback and what were the rankings of the rush offense and the defense for the team for whom that QB played? That would seem to be relevant information for the discussion, wouldn't it? Maybe I'm just not familiar with that analysis, but all I get from that is that football is the ultimate team game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direwolf Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Also, even using the phrase "he had the loss" isn't really accurate. Should be "the Falcons lost six more games...." etc. etc.Very rarely, if ever, can an NFL game be chalked up to the actions of one person. The QB certainly has a disproportionate amount of influence, but it's still a team game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wleggett Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 (edited) Also, even using the phrase "he had the loss" isn't really accurate. Should be "the Falcons lost six more games...." etc. etc.Very rarely, if ever, can an NFL game be chalked up to the actions of one person. The QB certainly has a disproportionate amount of influence, but it's still a team game.Completely agree. It's easy to blame a loss on one player for example throwing an interception at the end of the game in the end zone or a fumble at the end. Most of the time you'll find there were opportunities throughout the game that would have not made it necessary to let a single play determine the outcome.Edit: when talking about quarterbacks they do get more than their fair share of the credit. I think that's why the better players will voluntarily shoulder the blame. I don't think we'll ever see a press conference where Matt says "well I did my job offense was on fire but the defense sucked eggs all game." I can't say for a fact but I think a few times he has taken the blame when he did pretty good. Edited August 27, 2015 by wleggett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Matt is an elite passer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russ7000 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 he gone win a superbowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizeone Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 All those stats are impressive, but every QB he was compared against in most of those categories had at least one Super Bowl Championship under their belts (except Marino). And I'm sure, Ryan would trade all those accolades in for one shot at the title. Marino would do the same, for one more shot at a Lombardi Trophy! That's why they play the game - to Win! I love Matt Ryan, and I truly hope that he can bring us a Championship before he hangs up his cleats because we may not get another QB like him for at least a generation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Also, even using the phrase "he had the loss" isn't really accurate. Should be "the Falcons lost six more games...." etc. etc.Very rarely, if ever, can an NFL game be chalked up to the actions of one person. The QB certainly has a disproportionate amount of influence, but it's still a team game.You're taking a discussion/thread that was about an individual player and twisting to fit the team model. I agree that football is a team sport but when you look at the Stat that Ryan has 12 losses on his record vs. others that have 6 when posting a 80+ QBR rating it shows that even in defeat Ryan played exceptionally well and was not statistically the reason the Falcons lost the game. Other factors such as a porous Defense was to blame which is probably the case over the period of time we're discussing. Don't get me wrong I think football is a team game, heck I played it through college and played on horrible teams and teams that played for a National Championship and it was never one player that lost an entire game but there were times when one player took over and could win a game for us. Ryan in the face of two horrible back to back seasons has shown he's not the problem, he's playing at a very high level and the Falcons have still lost twice as many games when he's playing on par/better than the guy on the other team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
direwolf Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Okay. I may have misunderstood the intent of the original comment. It struck me as someone trying to downplay what Ryan has accomplished by saying that he lost too many games or some such. It's possible that I'm too used to seeing people whine about him and am projecting. If the intent was to highlight the deficiencies of the team around him by pointing out the higher number of losses despite strong QB play, then I totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamPlayer1 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 It's not whether you win or lose it's how you placed the blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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