falconidae Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 There is more UPSIDE with those quarterbacks than Grossman. We have seen the max that Grossman can do. I know for a fact that every quarterback i listed would be better options from a GROUP of iffy quarterbacks, than iffy Grossman......Heck, Davis never really got a chance in Atlanta. Orton can be great at times. McCoy is iffy, but i like his mobility. Freeman was a beast in his first couple of years in the league. Grossman has always been, well, Grossman.upside?Orton is ancient,Davis never got a chance for a reason and freeman had one good year that looks more and more like a fluke as time goes on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krammmit Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 There is more UPSIDE with those quarterbacks than Grossman. We have seen the max that Grossman can do. I know for a fact that every quarterback i listed would be better options from a GROUP of iffy quarterbacks, than iffy Grossman......Heck, Davis never really got a chance in Atlanta. Orton can be great at times. McCoy is iffy, but i like his mobility. Freeman was a beast in his first couple of years in the league. Grossman has always been, well, Grossman. Are we really saying Kyle Orton and Colt McCoy have upside? As for Freeman, he's been released by what 4 teams in 2 years? As for Davis, we will never know. He showed flashes but that's it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcons_Frenzy Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I'm ok with this signing. Again the Falcons are all about competition and even backups have to earn their spot on the final 53. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySG Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 To be fair, despite recent history, I would actually be pretty pleased if we signed Josh Freeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashbrown3 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Grossman is the guy we signed. For better or for worse. Why are y'all talking other QB's? Do y'all feel we're going to replace both our backups? Just wondering man. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Yeah, why run the SAME read option Shanahan did with RG3.........LMAO. This shouldve been BASIC research on your part, but you didnt care about that, you just bum rushed into here and made a big boo boo...............http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/05/kyle-shanahan-rg3-read-option ASHBURN, Va. The defining play of the read-option craze happened last season at Washington, on a Monday night in Week 13. The country was just learning about the pistol formation and the mesh point, when the quarterback sticks the ball in the running backs gut but doesnt let go right away. He instead waits, watching the unblocked defensive end, and then decides either to let the tailback take the handoff or to pull the ball back and run it himself. On this defining play, the quarterback was Washingtons Robert Griffin III. The Giants led 13-10 midway through the third quarter as Griffin brought the offense to the line, in the pistol. Third-and-1. Big moment. And here it is, months later coming to life on the big screen in offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahans office.Reading comprehension is not your best friend. The boo boo was already made when you suggested Vince Young saying he will slow down the pass rush.Not understanding how this wouldn't work when Matt Ryan comes back in the game. #Basic Edited August 26, 2015 by ATLFalcons11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBateser Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Yeah, why run the SAME read option Shanahan did with RG3.........LMAO. This shouldve been BASIC research on your part, but you didnt care about that, you just bum rushed into here and made a big boo boo...............http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/05/kyle-shanahan-rg3-read-option ASHBURN, Va. The defining play of the read-option craze happened last season at Washington, on a Monday night in Week 13. The country was just learning about the pistol formation and the mesh point, when the quarterback sticks the ball in the running backs gut but doesnt let go right away. He instead waits, watching the unblocked defensive end, and then decides either to let the tailback take the handoff or to pull the ball back and run it himself. On this defining play, the quarterback was Washingtons Robert Griffin III. The Giants led 13-10 midway through the third quarter as Griffin brought the offense to the line, in the pistol. Third-and-1. Big moment. And here it is, months later coming to life on the big screen in offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahans office.So you want us to run a read option with the back up to "slow down the pass rush" for our actual QB that when we bring him in teams will know we won't do option anymore? You're a fool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 except there will be some cuts made, and maybe someone better than what we have, by a team who seems to be a little better off than us at backup qb would cut someone loose. I get that rex knows shanny's system, but anyone we'd bring in later would have time to learn it before they were 'needed' hopefully....It's not just for the backup QB position but it's also to get a proper evaluation of the some of the other positions as well.The other players are being affected by this lackluster play at QB. Now granted Rex is very possible to play lackluster as well but at least he knows the system to not affect the other players that are dependent on him being competent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR Falcon Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 We should bring in Favre to backup Grossman, and that way he can retire again, but this time a Falcon. Then next year focus on 2 new backups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLFalcons11 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 There are some angles that people aren't considering. As somebody else already mentioned, too many people think all a backup QB does is hold a clipboard and sub into the game if your starter goes down.No.One of their primary duties is being a sounding board for the starting QB when he comes to the sidelines. If you don't understand what that means, the backup QB is able to see things from the sideline about the defense that the active QB doesn't have time to see while he is going through the process of setting protections, diagnosing the secondary, and thinking about his read progressions. The backup QB might notice some tendancies, some movements from certain players that might serve as a key, some reactions from the defense to things even Ryan is doing that might be a giveaway to the defense that can be corrected. So many other small, helpful tidbits.Ryan has access to the coaches for help as well, but the backup QB can provide valuable insight only a QB might pick up on. And it always helps when that backup QB is an experienced QB - it helps even more if that QB is experienced in the same offensive scheme. It is primarily for that reason I always thought Yates had a lead in the battle with Renfree, even if Renfree might have played a tad bit better. It also helped that Renfree could still be stashed on the practice squad, and still might be.The reason this move happened is because the vet QB (Yates) that was supposed to serve as the sounding board backup QB is performing under expectations. Bringing in Grossman so late in the game doesn't mean he'll beat out Yates; but it does mean they aren't happy with Yates as of right now. Yates could still win the job, but he's going to have to step up in the next 2 weeks - but I personally doubt he can do it.It's less clear what this means for Renfree. It could be that he still has a future on the practice squad; or it could mean they sign another teams castoff to the practice squad once roster cutdowns happen. It does seem clear that Renfree hasn't yet developed into a solid backup QB option at this point. And going into his 3rd season, that starts to raise some red flags for his future. I think it's likely we'll see both Yates and Renfree gone, with a new young QB stashed on the practice squad.Let's also put the QB numbers into perspective. There are teams in the NFL that don't even have ONE good QB, much less a backup capable of winning games. There are less than 5 of those guys in the NFL. It's not like we can find a solid backup QB laying around somewhere. Also, if Ryan goes down for any length of time, our chances of a winning season are done right then and there...DONE. Having a half decent backup QB isn't going to save our season because we can't even come close to replacing how good Ryan is with a backup. So relax about the backup QB. If we see him, it doesn't really matter who that guy is, our season is done anyway.I agree with everything you said but take a partial disagreeing stance towards our season being done if Matt goes down.I think some folks are thinking too extreme. The backup QB is a concern, not for situations where Matt goes down for the whole season but for situations where Matt goes down at a critical time in the game or for a few weeks. We need the backup QB to be competent enough to help win some games. Not sure if Grossman is that or not but I know Yates isn't. So I approve of the move, waiting to approve of the player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconJim Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I guess the signing of Grossman speaks volumes about what our coaching staff thinks of Renfree & Yates! Looks like T. J. Yates is gone, unless Grossman totally wets the bed between now and our first regular season game --- even then, I think Yates is gone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 That's the best we could get. A washed up never was...who is 2 yrs rusty...hate the move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega Flare Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 That's the best we could get. A washed up never was...who is 2 yrs rusty...hate the move.That about covers it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlking Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) So you want us to run a read option with the back up to "slow down the pass rush" for our actual QB that when we bring him in teams will know we won't do option anymore? You're a fool.NFL head coaches like to bring in their running quarterbacks to do EXACTLY what im saying in certain game situations. chip kelly is gonna do EXACTLY that with tim tebow.Almost forgot. I laugh and joke on this board like people do, but A MAN doesnt stoop to calling other people names when they dont agree with them. I dont mind you disagreeing and pointing out where i may be in error, but name calling, MEN dont do that. Edited August 26, 2015 by atlking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 NFL head coaches like to bring in their running quarterbacks to do EXACTLY what im saying in certain game situations. chip kelly is gonna do EXACTLY that with tim tebow.Almost forgot. I laugh and joke on this board like people do, but A MAN doesnt stoop to calling other people names when they dont agree with them. I dont mind you disagreeing and pointing out where i may be in error, but name calling, MEN dont do that.Quinn is never gong to take the ball out of Ryan's hands by choice. The coaches that do that do it because their starter just isn't that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dirty Bird Nation ® Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Kyle and Rex are the same age. Dang! That's crazy, Rex is actually almost a year older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBateser Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 NFL head coaches like to bring in their running quarterbacks to do EXACTLY what im saying in certain game situations. chip kelly is gonna do EXACTLY that with tim tebow.Almost forgot. I laugh and joke on this board like people do, but A MAN doesnt stoop to calling other people names when they dont agree with them. I dont mind you disagreeing and pointing out where i may be in error, but name calling, MEN dont do that.Please show me where a head coach has consistently done that and I'll take you seriously until then you're a fool. And I'm sorry did it hurt your feelings? ]: So much for being A MAN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pzummo Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Super Bowl!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon@Denmark Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 I don't know how I feel about this move ..I must admit, that I find it really hard to care too much about who's our backup QB. If Ryan goes down (God forbid!) then the season is over.The decent thing to do is probably to welcome Rex Grossman to the Falcons, but in reality the signing means as much to me as the John Harris signing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekeyboy1 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 "If Ryan is out we are done either way"..Why do people keep saying this? The job of the backuo qb is to win you a couple of games if your starter is out for a few weeks.(minor injury) Of course, MOST teams are "done" when their starter goes down for the freakin season. smh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekeyboy1 Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Why should anyone be disappointed? What happened to "In Quinn/Shanahan I trust?? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durrtay Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 Ewww Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlking Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) "If Ryan is out we are done either way"..Why do people keep saying this? The job of the backuo qb is to win you a couple of games if your starter is out for a few weeks.(minor injury) Of course, MOST teams are "done" when their starter goes down for the freakin season. smh..But get this, those SAME posters questioning me for not having that attitude by suggesting quarterbacks who CAN play. They say the quarterbacks i suggested cant play, but will not suggest any of their own when they question my post. Edited August 26, 2015 by atlking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 But get this, those SAME posters questioning me for not having that attitude by suggesting quarterbacks who CAN play. They say the quarterbacks i suggested cant play, but will not suggest any of their own when they question my post.Suggestion suggestion suggestionWhat?Suggestion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlking Posted August 26, 2015 Share Posted August 26, 2015 (edited) Suggestion suggestion suggestionWhat?SuggestionI suggest you get into shape because one more extended period of time on injured reserve and the Falcons gonna be looking for a new safety......... Edited August 26, 2015 by atlking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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