Grossman Is Signing A One-Year Deal With Falcons....

[ATLFalcons11]

Yea to slow the pass rush down, run a totally different offense, and then bring in the similarly looking starter to ensure that the pass rush stays slow.

Those defenders would be so mesmerized by the running talents of Vince Young that they won't recognized Matt Ryan is back in the game and go back into pass rush mode.

[Tandy]

Everyone needs to remember this. Teams build the offense around their quarterback. If the quarterback goes down - the backup has to step into that same offense with the same style as the starter. He also has to be able to mimic the starting quarterback in the play calls and cadence.

If the quarterback is a different style quarterback than the starter, the offense can't just change immediately.

They picked Grossman not only because he's familiar with Shanahan's offense - but because he can come in and fit in behind Ryan without a lot of changes having to be made for the other players in protections, route running, catching blocking, etc.

[A Pimp Named Slickback™]

When we got Yates, it was praised on the boards cause he won a playoff game... Grossman is being trashed, and he played in a SB. Why no love lol?

[atlking]

Yea to slow the pass rush down, run a totally different offense, and then bring in the similarly looking starter to ensure that the pass rush stays slow.

Those defenders would be so mesmerized by the running talents of Vince Young that they won't recognized Matt Ryan is back in the game and go back into pass rush mode.

Yeah, why run the SAME read option Shanahan did with RG3.........LMAO. This shouldve been BASIC research on your part, but you didnt care about that, you just bum rushed into here and made a big boo boo...............

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/05/kyle-shanahan-rg3-read-option

ASHBURN, Va. — The defining play of the read-option craze happened last season at Washington, on a Monday night in Week 13. The country was just learning about the pistol formation and the mesh point, when the quarterback sticks the ball in the running back’s gut but doesn’t let go right away. He instead waits, watching the unblocked defensive end, and then decides either to let the tailback take the handoff or to pull the ball back and run it himself.

On this defining play, the quarterback was Washington’s Robert Griffin III. The Giants led 13-10 midway through the third quarter as Griffin brought the offense to the line, in the pistol. Third-and-1. Big moment. And here it is, months later coming to life on the big screen in offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan’s office.

Edited August 26, 2015 by atlking

[Lornoth]

Yeah, why run the SAME read option Shanahan did with RG3.........LMAO. This shouldve been BASIC research on your part, but you didnt care about that, you just bum rushed into here and made a big boo boo...............

http://mmqb.si.com/2013/09/05/kyle-shanahan-rg3-read-option

ASHBURN, Va. — The defining play of the read-option craze happened last season at Washington, on a Monday night in Week 13. The country was just learning about the pistol formation and the mesh point, when the quarterback sticks the ball in the running back’s gut but doesn’t let go right away. He instead waits, watching the unblocked defensive end, and then decides either to let the tailback take the handoff or to pull the ball back and run it himself.

On this defining play, the quarterback was Washington’s Robert Griffin III. The Giants led 13-10 midway through the third quarter as Griffin brought the offense to the line, in the pistol. Third-and-1. Big moment. And here it is, months later coming to life on the big screen in offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan’s office.

Different to our starter, Ryan, not different to anything the Skins have done, whatever that matters.

[Yep]

there is what? maybe 5 back-ups in the NFL that are actually capable of helping win a game (as opposed to just being a care-taker, try not to lose it).

All you are looking for w/ a back-up is to try and eek out 1-2 wins while your starter is out - if Matt Ryan is out for more than 3-4 games, the whole season is lost anyway.

You say signing Grossman is a "waste" of $1million dollars. Is it a waste if Grossman is able to steer the ship ENOUGH to eek out 1 win in 3 games or 2 wins in 4 games - IF - the Falcons make the playoffs and would not have made the playoffs with Yates/Renfree at the helm?

I'm thinking the answer to that question would be "YES" - an entire NFL season would be saved for the paltry cost of $1mm. Of course keep in mind the Falcons are probably paying TJ Yates the same now anyway - so it would be basically a WASH.

Except Grossman isn't better than a caretaker. He tries to lose games for his team.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Chicago_Bears%E2%80%93Arizona_Cardinals_game

Edited August 26, 2015 by Hands Up Don't Shoot

[Romfal]

its at least encouraging to see they are not sitting on their *** when they see neither guy is stepping up to the challenge as we can all see as well, unlike the previous regime

[MR Falcon]

A lot of people was wanting us to hire Rex before we hired Quinn, now we hAve both.

[etherdome]

I don't understand the objections to Grossman. We all saw what Yates did under center.

Grossman for a year, then Renfree beyond that.

I am more concerned about our OL's development.

[dozer]

This is overdue. I'm not a Rex fan but he already knows how to run the offense. Happens all the when a new OC is brought in.

[Yep]

I hate how qbs like Grossman keep getting recycled. I know WHY Shanahan got him, he knows the offense, but there are other quarterbacks out there who are better, but they will never get the NFL to call them or they are stuck on other teams and the Falcons probably couldnt swing a deal. I dont get the philosophy of the backup having to be a scrub. I want a backup THAT CAN PLAY. He might not be better than the starter, but he CAN PLAY..........

We know his issues, but he is still better than grossman because he can still get out of the pocket. Heck, in games where the Falcons offensive line may not be protecting Ryan, a quarterback like Young can come in for a few plays ( read option) to calm down the pass rush.......

Ive always liked Orton. He retired, but might come out for the right deal........

Davis was another talent that got lost under the Smith/Dimitroff regime.........

Colt McCoy is lost in the politics up in Washington..

Josh Freeman CANT be as bad as he looked the last couple of years.........lmao

Great post.

[Oldskooler]

Can't be much worse than Yates.

Probably won't be much better than Yates.

But at least he ISN'T Yates.

[Yep]

Falcons don't have defense like Bears do for Grossman to purposely try to lose game and give up 6 TOs. Even Tebow won't give up 6 TOs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Chicago_Bears%E2%80%93Arizona_Cardinals_game

[Yep]

Grossman has turned the ball over more in his career than he's scored TDs and you guys consider him someone that can win a few games for us in case Ryan goes down.

OKAAAAYYY.

He has 79 turnovers to 60 TDs.

Edited August 26, 2015 by Hands Up Don't Shoot

[papachaz]

I like how people are calling Grossman a has been. That's the point, otherwise he'd be on a roster already. The qbs you want already have a job. Good signing, hope we never need to use him.

except there will be some cuts made, and maybe someone better than what we have, by a team who seems to be a little better off than us at backup qb would cut someone loose. I get that rex knows shanny's system, but anyone we'd bring in later would have time to learn it before they were 'needed' hopefully....

[gp_74]

Why would ANY fan "jump around" for a backup QB signing? - if you do, that means you HATE your starting QB, and I love me some Matty Ice.

No it doesn't, at least not for me...it means I'm concerned about the Oline.

[Sponge]

At this point, it's between Grossman and Renfree for backup QB imo

[russ7000]

He is better than the backups we have ... And just as good as Grossman.... I know he is not avl but if he where I'd rather have him

Tebow sucks and is already on another team.

[TheFatboi]

I'm not sure this is an improvement. I doubt Grossman will win a game for us that Renfree couldn't.

I think he could. Plus Grossman has never been surrounded by this much talent at wr. I'd rather have an older vet than two backups younger and way behind Matt Ryan. Grossman is what I like in a backup. He may not be as good as Matt but experience wise he's up to snuff. He can at least tell the young guys what they're not doing right whereas renfree and Yates probably aren't getting wr's on the same page on routes sometimes causing the incomplete passes and to's as well as straight up bad play.

[atlking]

I don't understand the objections to Grossman. We all saw what Yates did under center.

Grossman for a year, then Renfree beyond that.

I am more concerned about our OL's development.

I dont think its objections to Grossman. I think its the fact that this Falcons team can be special, and no one wants it derailed with a iffy quarterback HAVING to come into the game.

If the Falcons cant figure out this zone blocking scheme in the run game, Ryan is gonna be pressured, just like he has the last couple of years, into standing behind a suspect offensive line dealing with a mean pass rush every game.......You want a good backup option by Ryan........

Edited August 26, 2015 by atlking

[xskyx]

I bet Quinn thought to himself "Man, I hope the GMs at TATF approve of this. They know best"

[B_Lo_Touchdowns]

I think I should go workout and get me a 1 year deal too.

[falconidae]

I dont think its objections to Grossman. I think its the fact that this Falcons team can be special, and no one wants it derailed with a iffy quarterback HAVING to come into the game.

If the Falcons cant figure out this zone blocking scheme in the run game, Ryan is gonna be pressured, just like he has the last couple of years, into standing behind a suspect offensive line dealing with a mean pass rush every game.......You want a good backup option by Ryan........

How are Orton, Davis, McCoy and Freeman not iffy?

[RandomFan]

There are some angles that people aren't considering. As somebody else already mentioned, too many people think all a backup QB does is hold a clipboard and sub into the game if your starter goes down.

No.

One of their primary duties is being a sounding board for the starting QB when he comes to the sidelines. If you don't understand what that means, the backup QB is able to see things from the sideline about the defense that the active QB doesn't have time to see while he is going through the process of setting protections, diagnosing the secondary, and thinking about his read progressions. The backup QB might notice some tendancies, some movements from certain players that might serve as a key, some reactions from the defense to things even Ryan is doing that might be a giveaway to the defense that can be corrected. So many other small, helpful tidbits.

Ryan has access to the coaches for help as well, but the backup QB can provide valuable insight only a QB might pick up on. And it always helps when that backup QB is an experienced QB - it helps even more if that QB is experienced in the same offensive scheme. It is primarily for that reason I always thought Yates had a lead in the battle with Renfree, even if Renfree might have played a tad bit better. It also helped that Renfree could still be stashed on the practice squad, and still might be.

The reason this move happened is because the vet QB (Yates) that was supposed to serve as the sounding board backup QB is performing under expectations. Bringing in Grossman so late in the game doesn't mean he'll beat out Yates; but it does mean they aren't happy with Yates as of right now. Yates could still win the job, but he's going to have to step up in the next 2 weeks - but I personally doubt he can do it.

It's less clear what this means for Renfree. It could be that he still has a future on the practice squad; or it could mean they sign another teams castoff to the practice squad once roster cutdowns happen. It does seem clear that Renfree hasn't yet developed into a solid backup QB option at this point. And going into his 3rd season, that starts to raise some red flags for his future. I think it's likely we'll see both Yates and Renfree gone, with a new young QB stashed on the practice squad.

Let's also put the QB numbers into perspective. There are teams in the NFL that don't even have ONE good QB, much less a backup capable of winning games. There are less than 5 of those guys in the NFL. It's not like we can find a solid backup QB laying around somewhere. Also, if Ryan goes down for any length of time, our chances of a winning season are done right then and there...DONE. Having a half decent backup QB isn't going to save our season because we can't even come close to replacing how good Ryan is with a backup. So relax about the backup QB. If we see him, it doesn't really matter who that guy is, our season is done anyway.

Edited August 26, 2015 by RandomFan

[atlking]

How are Orton, Davis, McCoy and Freeman not iffy?

There is more UPSIDE with those quarterbacks than Grossman. We have seen the max that Grossman can do. I know for a fact that every quarterback i listed would be better options from a GROUP of iffy quarterbacks, than iffy Grossman......

Heck, Davis never really got a chance in Atlanta. Orton can be great at times. McCoy is iffy, but i like his mobility. Freeman was a beast in his first couple of years in the league. Grossman has always been, well, Grossman.

Edited August 26, 2015 by atlking