Interesting Development For Falcons V. Eagles: Qb's Knees Are Fair Game On Read Option

[DownvoteDon]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000514817/Suggs-tackles-Bradford-low-gets-flagged

Terrell Suggs was flagged for this hit on Sam Bradford's knees during the Ravens/Eagles pre season game, but the NFL issued a statement asserting that it was actually a legal hit and the flag was erroneous.

Anyone who watches Georgia Tech knows the punishment the quarterback receives even when he does not have the ball. It has always baffled me why NFL quarterbacks don't get similar treatment.

NFL Quarterbacks carrying out running fake are FAIR GAME.

In college, an end can not indiscriminately tee off on the QB because the option goes to the outside, and there has to be containment on the pitchman. But most NFL teams running the read option fake the hand-off to the inside and the quarterback runs the ball or the fake to the outside.

Seems like the end should simply be blasting the quarterback every time and not give a whit about crashing down if there is a hand off.

Of course, Chip Kelly is quite the rules ace. He knows the risk he is exposing his QB's to, and that might explain why he has stockpiled mid range qb's without a real standout: Butt Fumbler, Matt Barkley, Tim Tebow, and Sam Bradford. (He coached against Barkley and [then still known as] Sanchez in the Pac 10)

The lack of protection will also be key against the Panthers of course. Although this is nothing new, I hope the Quinn regime makes things a little less pleasant for Cam Newton.

[Lornoth]

When "Butt Fumbler" and Tim Tebow are holding pace with your other QB's, you know you're in trouble.

[Jesus]

I know there is quite the love affair with Chip Kelly around here but he does not care about his QBs he treats them like college kids. next one up. Why would you trade for a QB with two surgically repaired knees then have him run the read option? That makes no sense.

[Tuggle'2]

I've always said that teams should be straight up punishing the QBs every single time regardless. Make them freaking pay for it.

[Tuggle'2]

I know there is quite the love affair with Chip Kelly around here but he does not care about his QBs he treats them like college kids. next one up. Why would you trade for a QB with two surgically repaired knees then have him run the read option? That makes no sense.

Gambling with the guys whole career.

[bigbabygrady]

are the panthers known for running read option?

[papachaz]

I've always said that teams should be straight up punishing the QBs every single time regardless. Make them freaking pay for it.

there have been a lot of posts about this very thing the last couple of years with us playing scam, when freeman was with the sucs, when we had to play rg3, wilson and kap all in the same year.

It's the one thing that worries me about Matt and having more 'roll outs' in the play book, once they're outside the pocket they're fair game, esp if they've faked a hand off first

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

I was shocked that Terrell Suggs would do something the slightest bit shady. That doesnt match the organization's track record at all...

[Lornoth]

there have been a lot of posts about this very thing the last couple of years with us playing scam, when freeman was with the sucs, when we had to play rg3, wilson and kap all in the same year.

It's the one thing that worries me about Matt and having more 'roll outs' in the play book, once they're outside the pocket they're fair game, esp if they've faked a hand off first

It's not about faking a handoff though, it's about faking that the QB is running himself.

[Tuggle'2]

there have been a lot of posts about this very thing the last couple of years with us playing scam, when freeman was with the sucs, when we had to play rg3, wilson and kap all in the same year.

It's the one thing that worries me about Matt and having more 'roll outs' in the play book, once they're outside the pocket they're fair game, esp if they've faked a hand off first

Matt takes brutal hits regardless though. I worry his body might not be able to take it like he could before, but still.

[papachaz]

Matt takes brutal hits regardless though. I worry his body might not be able to take it like he could before, but still.

yeah this is true, I can't help but remember back to a 'caption this' thread that had Matt and some kids standing at a cash register during a Christmas a few years back with no line in front of him and getting a lot of likes for commenting about 'no line in front of me here either'

anyone who questions Matt Ryan's toughness after the beatings he's taken in so many games the last few years is just plain and simple an idiot

[Tuggle'2]

yeah this is true, I can't help but remember back to a 'caption this' thread that had Matt and some kids standing at a cash register during a Christmas a few years back with no line in front of him and getting a lot of likes for commenting about 'no line in front of me here either'

anyone who questions Matt Ryan's toughness after the beatings he's taken in so many games the last few years is just plain and simple an idiot

Someone needs to make a "highlight" vid of nothing but Matt Ryan's crazy hits he has taken followed by getting right back up and scoring or making an outstanding play and play this song with it.

https://youtu.be/Jte7Jhii4e0

[Jesus]

Difference on a rollout is that there is the threat of the pass. Teams don't want to give up the big gain so they drop coverage back. By the time you commit someone to the QB he's thrown the ball. Ryan might be safer on the rollout than in the pocket in some instances.

[jeffro2000]

Said years ago, when the read option started, that you need to hit the QB every time. The league came out then and said you could.

They called Suggs for roughing the passer when he wasn't passing.

You don't go after guys knees though. It's an unwritten rule. Defenders don't want guys going for their knees, so they shouldn't be going for other guy's purposefully when tackling low.

[Trouble]

The entire concept of the read is to fake out the D. To force someone to always cover the QB. If thats the case then the QB looses his QB protection rules and gets the RB rbs.

[Guest Negatorris]

Someone needs to make a "highlight" vid of nothing but Matt Ryan's crazy hits he has taken followed by getting right back up and scoring or making an outstanding play and play this song with it.

https://youtu.be/Jte7Jhii4e0

On it

[Tuggle'2]

On it

Holy Crap that is awesome! Not only is someone doing it, but it's you! My favorite vid maker here!

[paulitik]

Said years ago, when the read option started, that you need to hit the QB every time. The league came out then and said you could.

They called Suggs for roughing the passer when he wasn't passing.

You don't go after guys knees though. It's an unwritten rule. Defenders don't want guys going for their knees, so they shouldn't be going for other guy's purposefully when tackling low.

For real. Remember all the bitching about cut blocks from other teams when we ran the ZBS under Mora?

Defensive players have no right to complain.

[Trouble]

Yep... like the packers.

[TheFatboi]

I've always said that teams should be straight up punishing the QBs every single time regardless. Make them freaking pay for it.

When all this read option stuff started hitting Parcells gave the blueprint on national TV in an interview. He said he'd make the qb pay every time they ran the read. At least 29 teams missed that memo but a few got it. Harbaugh or Suggs must have dug out that interview and put it to use. I can't even remember if it was an interview. He may have been commentating. I just remember him saying it. Maybe 2012. I've always felt that way. Make the qb pay every read fake. If you don't want your qb to get punished then stop running the read option. That's exactly what Tuna said as well.

[MAD597]

I hope Ryan still wears his knee brace for his plant leg.

[Tuggle'2]

When all this read option stuff started hitting Parcells gave the blueprint on national TV in an interview. He said he'd make the qb pay every time they ran the read. At least 29 teams missed that memo but a few got it. Harbaugh or Suggs must have dug out that interview and put it to use. I can't even remember if it was an interview. He may have been commentating. I just remember him saying it. Maybe 2012. I've always felt that way. Make the qb pay every read fake. If you don't want your qb to get punished then stop running the read option. That's exactly what Tuna said as well.

I mean, even if the coach doesn't heed the warning you know dang well the QB who is actually out there getting mauled certainly will.

"Enough of this ****!"

[TheFatboi]

I was shocked that Terrell Suggs would do something the slightest bit shady. That doesnt match the organization's track record at all...

It's not shady tho. He tried to get to the qb as quickly as possible. To me he tackled his legs not his knees. Rb's get tackled like that all the time. To me it's simple. Don't want your qb getting punished. Stop running read

[TheFatboi]

I mean, even if the coach doesn't heed the warning you know dang well the QB who is actually out there getting mauled certainly will.

"Enough of this ****!"

Abso freekin lutley. Lol

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

It's not shady tho. He tried to get to the qb as quickly as possible. To me he tackled his legs not his knees. Rb's get tackled like that all the time. To me it's simple. Don't want your qb getting punished. Stop running read

Don't buy it dude.

It's a preseason game against a dude with a clear history of injury. The ball was well out and Suggs went well low. His post-game comments confirm the intent, IMO.

I DON'T think it should have been penalized. And I'm fine with the "make them pay" philosophy. But diving at a dude's knees in the preseason and then dropping a "that'll teach him" comment afterward is dirty pool. Hit a dude at the waist if you want. But that hit on that guy in that game? Nahhh.