Let's Talk Corners

[Dirtybird#11]

Alright as we all dang well know by now our front 7 looks improved. Granted this is preseason and no real scheming is going on, but still this is leaps and bounds better than last years joke of a defense.

So with our improved pass rush we can assume our CBS will be better right? Ehhhhhh I'm not so sure. Aside from Tru who else is there to be confident in? Alford can be solid at times but his PI calls are really holding him back. Collins looks like a high schooler playing in the NFL. Adams isn't a starting CB in the NFL. And the rest are UDFAs who really aren't gonna be used unless we're talking STs. So what should we do? Should we ship off Asamoah to a Guard needy team in hopes of reviving a solid CB? Should we test some FA waters after the first initial cuts are made? What should we do about our dreadful CB depth. (On a side note I'm really missing Bobby Mac right about now)

[uga_falcons_braves]

I'll start with the easier question first, which is Asamoah. When you say ship him off to a team who's needy for a Guard. Look no further than your own Atlanta Falcons. I can't see us being set at both Guard positions with Person listed as a starter.

In regards to the secondary, good line play definitely helps them look better. With that said, there's only so much lipstick you can slap on a pig. Whoever #27 is (White I believe, but not sure), I don't see that guy making the team.

Alford didn't look all that bad against the Jets, from what I remember. His biggest issue is he likes to grab to much. I've seen him be in perfect position to make a play and would still grab the WR around the waist and get called for holding or PI. Just boneheaded stuff. I don't feel comfortable with anybody outside of Tru, so it's gonna be an interesting season at the CB position this season.

[brown bomber]

I think we are good with Tru and Alford outside and Adams at NB. Alford hasn't really been bad with the penalties so far. That really wasn't a penalty the other night.

[Crazy Trav]

Alford has been playing better. He's hungry.

Adams has been consistent. One thing I've noticed is quick feet.

White has always been a step on all the receivers I've watched. He doesn't look lost which is slightly surprising.

Unfortunately Collins and Southward need work. A positive on them is that they have both been solid in the run. Use their physicality well but that backfires in their hips in coverage with faster WR's.

So I see 1 great, 1 solid, and 2 quality corners with 2 only efficient against the run. Not too worried about South and Collins. Collins I still have faith in late in the season. It will take time have patience. Overall the sky is not falling.

[Dirtybird#11]

I'll start with the easier question first, which is Asamoah. When you say ship him off to a team who's needy for a Guard. Look no further than your own Atlanta Falcons. I can't see us being set at both Guard positions with Person listed as a starter.

In regards to the secondary, good line play definitely helps them look better. With that said, there's only so much lipstick you can slap on a pig. Whoever #27 is (White I believe, but not sure), I don't see that guy making the team.

Alford didn't look all that bad against the Jets, from what I remember. His biggest issue is he likes to grab to much. I've seen him be in perfect position to make a play and would still grab the WR around the waist and get called for holding or PI. Just boneheaded stuff. I don't feel comfortable with anybody outside of Tru, so it's gonna be an interesting season at the CB position this season.

Yes we need a Guard, but Asamoah isn't it. He really doesn't fit this scheme. I really liked him last season, but it's time for us to get a move on. Plus if we needed a guard Connolly,Barksdale,and Mathis are all available and ready to grab whenever. Let's also not forget about those cuts I was talking about.

But you're definitely right about CB. Tru is the only one I have confidence in. I would really like for us to test some offers. Anybody and I mean anybody is better than Dez and Jalen right now.

[uga_falcons_braves]

I think we are good with Tru and Alford outside and Adams at NB. Alford hasn't really been bad with the penalties so far. That really wasn't a penalty the other night.

I didn't see exactly what they said he did on that play. They didn't show the replay of that penalty like normal.

Did the game come on the NFL network in GA or a local channel? I live in DC, so I had to watch the replay at 12a because they were showing the chiefs/seahawks game up here. NFL network didn't show the penalty replays for that one from what I remember.

[birdz4i]

hopefully with an improved front 4, alford will not have to cover as long and those PI calls will disappear, and yes, i did say hopefully.

[Dirtybird#11]

Alford has been playing better. He's hungry.

Adams has been consistent. One thing I've noticed is quick feet.

White has always been a step on all the receivers I've watched. He doesn't look lost which is slightly surprising.

Unfortunately Collins and Southward need work. A positive on them is that they have both been solid in the run. Use their physicality well but that backfires in their hips in coverage with faster WR's.

So I see 1 great, 1 solid, and 2 quality corners with 2 only efficient against the run. Not too worried about South and Collins. Collins I still have faith in late in the season. It will take time have patience. Overall the sky is not falling.

Yes I know, but really I just think we should have a stop-gap vet savvy guy. Like a Terrance Newman.

[maxatlanta]

Alford will break his bad habits, which he arrived here with. Year 3 seems about right for him to step his game up.

I like Kevin White as a project. He's got what it takes, just needs experience.

Collins and South shouldn't see the field on defense at all. They look lost. Still curious about Southward cause he showed promise last year on ST and at S. Does he not pick up the mental side of playing safety? Do they think he has a probowl ceiling at cb?

[Atlfanstckndenver]

I don't think we're that bad off at corner. Even depth wise I'm not too concerned. I realize it could be better, but I'm much more concerned with the depth at tackle personally.

[FalconFromSpain]

Man, you are being really hard on Collins but i saw some improvement from the first game to the second game of preseason. Sure he looked like trash in the first game but he played quite well in the second, only allowing one catch to Marshall and biting on a play-action rollout from Fitzpatrick that went to Decker.

Alford is playing really good this preseason and i liked that after getting called for holding (questionable call btw) he defended Marshall on the next play flawlessly. Last year, when he allowed a pass, you know all passes thrown at him would be completions or penalties, so thats a big improvement.

Adams is ok, Bobby Mac type of player, if he has to play a lot we will be in trouble but if he plays nickle and try to cover his weaknesses, we should be ok.

Southward is gonna be cut if he keeps playing like that. Also, you can see he is not comfortable playing corner. I dont know if he should be back at safety but he does not look good at corner.

White is playing ok, Adams type player, so im ok with that if he does not see the field too much.

King also looked terrible, but he is a 7th rounder so he shouldnt be counted on to make a big contribution this year.

And Tru, well, i dont need to say anything about him...

Edited August 23, 2015 by FalconFromSpain

[Sheldon Cooper]

Alford looks great outside. It was at NB that he was called for PI. It happened on 3rd down. Last year that would have ended up a TD. This time it was followed by a great play by Alford on 1st, a TFL by Babs on 2nd, and a sack on 3rd.

[Atlantafan21]

I'm still confused with why Dez is even at corner. He should be a safety still. Showed promise last year but being at corner had made him look like trash. He's got talent but Quinn just isn't utilizing him right IMO.

[TheFatboi]

All of them. Tru is good. Alf is good. Adams is good. And Collins is good in this scheme. Our dime packages won't be that easy to pass on in cover 3. But to explain this you need to know the difference in cover 1 and cover 3 and the techniques they use. If you don't, you won't see what I mean.

[ZoneOne01]

I'm still confused with why Dez is even at corner. He should be a safety still. Showed promise last year but being at corner had made him look like trash. He's got talent but Quinn just isn't utilizing him right IMO.

It seems to me that Quinn doesn't like him at Safety so he moved him over to Corner. Why else would he make Southward change positions? It's not like we're deep at Safety.

[MasterBateser]

Still in better shape than the Patriots

[papachaz]

Alford has been solid. The penalty on him the other night was bogus.

Anyone who bemoans our depth at CB by saying they miss mcclain and wanting to trade some of the very litte OLine depth we have for depth at CB has lost ALL credibility. I mean seriously dude? really? Your inexperience and lack of deductive reasoning is really showing out now

[Dirtybird#11]

Alford has been solid. The penalty on him the other night was bogus.

Anyone who bemoans our depth at CB by saying they miss mcclain and wanting to trade some of the very litte OLine depth we have for depth at CB has lost ALL credibility. I mean seriously dude? really? Your inexperience and lack of deductive reasoning is really showing out now

Your opinion. Glad you know how to express it

[texasfalconfan]

Yes we need a Guard, but Asamoah isn't it. He really doesn't fit this scheme. I really liked him last season, but it's time for us to get a move on. Plus if we needed a guard Connolly,Barksdale,and Mathis are all available and ready to grab whenever. Let's also not forget about those cuts I was talking about.

Is there a team out there that asamoah fits their scheme who may have a guard who fits ours we can make a trade with?

But you're definitely right about CB. Tru is the only one I have confidence in. I would really like for us to test some offers. Anybody and I mean anybody is better than Dez and Jalen right now.

[mtldirtybird]

I didn't see exactly what they said he did on that play. They didn't show the replay of that penalty like normal.

Did the game come on the NFL network in GA or a local channel? I live in DC, so I had to watch the replay at 12a because they were showing the chiefs/seahawks game up here. NFL network didn't show the penalty replays for that one from what I remember.

He just held the WR in the back of the play that was super irrelevant for a second. The ball went to the other side of the field, Fitzpatrick never even looked that way lol Lame penalty but he did hold him and thats illegal so he has to correct it, but its not like he can't cover so he has to pull and hold. Just mental lapses

[mtldirtybird]

Alford has been solid. The penalty on him the other night was bogus.

Anyone who bemoans our depth at CB by saying they miss mcclain and wanting to trade some of the very litte OLine depth we have for depth at CB has lost ALL credibility. I mean seriously dude? really? Your inexperience and lack of deductive reasoning is really showing out now

for sure. Injuries to the Oline ruined our season last year (among other reasons) How could anyone possibly think about trading OL for a DB? LOL Maybe for another OL for a better scheme fit...if you sign Mathis then you can trade an OL for another position...we dont even have 5 established starters how can you want to trade "depth"

[TheFatboi]

Yes we need a Guard, but Asamoah isn't it. He really doesn't fit this scheme. I really liked him last season, but it's time for us to get a move on. Plus if we needed a guard Connolly,Barksdale,and Mathis are all available and ready to grab whenever. Let's also not forget about those cuts I was talking about.

But you're definitely right about CB. Tru is the only one I have confidence in. I would really like for us to test some offers. Anybody and I mean anybody is better than Dez and Jalen right now.

Test offers for what? We're fine with what we have. The starting unit didn't even let the jets cross the 50 and that was without Tru and with Collins covering Marshall. Do you just look at stats or actually watch the game? Can you tell the differences in the coverages they run? I just did a break down on Collins in the Jets game. Fitz only threw at him one time for a short gain. Everything else he covered nicely. He was only targeted twice the whole game. I don't understand what you want. You want starters at every backup position? And McClain ain't even in Collins league for this defense. He neither has the size or fit for this system.

[Dirtybird#11]

Test offers for what? We're fine with what we have. The starting unit didn't even let the jets cross the 50 and that was without Tru and with Collins covering Marshall. Do you just look at stats or actually watch the game? Can you tell the differences in the coverages they run? I just did a break down on Collins in the Jets game. Fitz only threw at him one time for a short gain. Everything else he covered nicely. He was only targeted twice the whole game. I don't understand what you want. You want starters at every backup position? And McClain ain't even in Collins league for this defense. He neither has the size or fit for this system.

Here is how I view it.....

As of right now we look solid on defense, but still what competent QB have we played? Fitzpatrick? Mariota? Now I will give credit where credit is due and say the defense (pass rush especially) has impressed, but do you really feel confident in our CBs and defense if they was to go against a team like Pit,GB,or Philly? I'm not. You might be and more power to you but I want us to be as good as possible for the time being. And if that involves us getting rid of someone who doesn't fit our scheme (Asa) then by all means let him go and let us get something solid in return!

[Dirtybird#11]

for sure. Injuries to the Oline ruined our season last year (among other reasons) How could anyone possibly think about trading OL for a DB? LOL Maybe for another OL for a better scheme fit...if you sign Mathis then you can trade an OL for another position...we dont even have 5 established starters how can you want to trade "depth"

All the depth we need is waiting in the FA pool.

Mathis,Long,Connolly,etc. all have shown they can play still and produce even tho age and injury is supposedly supposed to defy them.