ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) I was just reviewing the play where Williams got the safety and I saw exactly what the O-line and TE were suppose to do. Off the snap, you can see every offensive linemen plus 81 slide their protection to the right. Jake Matthews for some reason is hanging out on an island by himself and is not sliding tot he right. Tamme is sliding to the right as well but he is suppose to block the edge outside of Stone. Stone is responsible for the zone area next to Hawley as he steps to the right, which would completely make him out of position to block Williams in the first place. Stone is playing his zone and in this next picture he realizes that since they are sliding to the right, there is no one coming at him, which could have been 56 coming down the middle. Since Stone realized that the man he is suppose to block in his zone is staying put, he reached out to Williams to try to resist him in any way so Tamme could at least have some kind of help. As you can see, Tamme is in perfect position to at least get in front of Williams as he is suppose to block the outside of Stone's Zone. Ward is also going for a play action and could chip on Williams out of the backfield. This next pic tells me a lot about Stone here. Instead of Stone just letting Williams go with out even trying to do something, Stone is completely off balance to block Williams because everyone on the offensive line besides Jake, are sliding to the right. Notice how everyone but Asamoah has someone in front of them, but their feet are still in the sliding right position. Look at Tamme. He is completely lost in the middle of this mess and is for some reason looking to block someone in the middle. Tamme was lined up on the outside of Stone's area, and he completely gave up his spot by going in the middle of this mess. Tamme looks completely lost here so we see where the problem is. As we see here the play was calling for a screen pass to Ward, at least that is what Ward is running for. Tamme is down the field blocking for the screen pass but left Williams wide open for the sack. Ward completely whiffs past Williams so he can finish his route. Tamme was suppose to watch outside of Stone's zone and at least get in front of Williams or any other blitzer coming his way. After he puts a block on the person coming his way, he then releases and goes up field to block for Ward or what ever the play may have called. There was no way in **** that Stone could of blocked Williams with what was called. The protection ALL went to the right and took care of the defender that was in their zone. Stone slid to the right as well and was going to take care of 56 if he came in. Another theory could be that, Jake Matthews was suppose to slide right as well, and he would then take on Williams. It's odd to see Matthews be by himself while everyone else is sliding right. It could have been a miscommunication from QB to the O-line. In conclusion, there is not a man on this earth that could of stopped Williams if they were in Stone's position after they slid right due to the nature of the play call. Stone was not responsible for Williams and there for, he should not get blamed for the sack. Edited August 22, 2015 by R_The_Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 What was that thing you said earlier about people going to great lengths to defend Hawley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Or maybe Stone should have stayed left with Jake. I appreciate the effort man but nobody knows what the call was supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) Or maybe Stone should have stayed left with Jake. I appreciate the effort man but nobody knows what the call was supposed to be.So wait a sec, everyone is going right, and your saying Stone shouldn't have gone right? Stone took his step to the right pretty confidently.I think Stone took his step to the right and realized someone didn't do their part, so he reached out to Williams to try to help any way he could to make up for someone else's mistake Edited August 22, 2015 by R_The_Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon@Denmark Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 The love of your life gave up a safety - Get over it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 What was that thing you said earlier about people going to great lengths to defend Hawley?At least I have pics and explanation and not fondling over Hawley's beard and making Haters gonna Hate pics of Hawley. I actually study the game, not just go gaga for a long beard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 So wait a sec, everyone is going right, and your saying Stone shouldn't have gone right? Stone took his step to the right pretty confidently.I think Stone took his step to the right and realized someone didn't do their part, so he reached out to Williams to try to help any way he could to make up for someone else's mistakeI'm sure you do think that. Everybody is not in fact going right though, as you said a few times Jake did not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 The love of your life gave up a safety - Get over it!This is exactly what I am talking, HOW THE **** WAS STONE SUPPOSE TO BLOCK WILLIAMS IF HE IS SLIDING TO THE RIGHT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'm sure you do think that. Everybody is not in fact going right though, as you said a few times Jake did not.And so what? Jake is right every time? If Stone stuttered his step to the right, I would agree that he ****** up. The fact off the snap he went to the right just like everyone else, leads me to believe that he did the right move Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 If Matthews slides right like everyone else, than he is the one blocking Williams because he is in perfect position to do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 And so what? Jake is right every time? If Stone stuttered his step to the right, I would agree that he ****** up. The fact off the snap he went to the right just like everyone else, leads me to believe that he did the right moveIs Stone right every time? (don't answer)Not saying you're wrong, just saying you have no real idea. Only the coaches and players know for sure who messed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 Is Stone right every time? (don't answer)Not saying you're wrong, just saying you have no real idea. Only the coaches and players know for sure who messed up.I am not saying Stone is right every time, but every one says it was Stone's fault, which would mean that THEY are right about the safety. I am showing pics and explanation saying that due to Stone sliding right with the protection, that he was in NO WHERE NEAR POSITION TO BLOCK WILLIAMS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 If Stone straight up got beat man to man, head up, than I would say, Stone got beat. The fact is, he was asked to slide to the right with the rest of the O-line and Tight ends. How the **** are you suppose to block a guy out of your zone after you are sliding right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon@Denmark Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 And so what? Jake is right every time? If Stone stuttered his step to the right, I would agree that he ****** up. The fact off the snap he went to the right just like everyone else, leads me to believe that he did the right moveThe fact that you needed to make a whole thread about one bad play to defend Stone, shows that even you suspects that he was to blame ...Or not - Does it really matter? The coaches knows what went wrong and are going to get it corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) The fact that you needed to make a whole thread about one bad play to defend Stone, shows that even you suspects that he was to blame ...Or not - Does it really matter? The coaches knows what went wrong and are going to get it corrected.Well when I read stuff like, Oh the Falcons offense had a GREAT game, the Defense was AWESOME, But Leonard Williams made James Stone his Biotch. It pisses me off because Stone made the best block of any lineman so far this preseason on Harris for the TD, and he gets called out for a play like this? A play where Stone could of just let Williams go and act like he had nothing to do with him, but Stone still tried to help out even if it made him look bad. He knew something was wrong and he still tried to help his teammates out. Seriously, just because I am a fan of James Stone, means he should be called a Biotch and get called out by completely ignoring the good things he did? Edited August 22, 2015 by R_The_Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Des-pool Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 If you don't get help at Charter, get help somewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 The coaches know where the breakdown was. The players do as well. It's up to the coaches to address this in the film room and it's up to the players to correct it on the field. It's actually good to have something like this now as opposed to week one or later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 The coaches know where the breakdown was. The players do as well. It's up to the coaches to address this in the film room and it's up to the players to correct it on the field. It's actually good to have something like this now as opposed to week one or later. I do think its a nice wake up call to Shanahan as well to see how risky it is to call a play action pass on the 2 yard line as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 R created a legit thread and some have tried to derail it by saying some "personal" things, and from what I recall that's been a "bannable" offense in the past. Double standard...Whether you agree or not he deserves the respect of staying on the topic at handKeep doing what you do R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon@Denmark Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Seriously, just because I am a fan of James Stone, means he should be called a Biotch and get called out by completely ignoring the good things he did?Maybe it's because your reaction is so predictable .. One little remark about Stone and you go on a multi-thread rant.I've just watched the play again on Gamepass and it sure does look like Stone realizes his mistake the moment he takes a step to the right.The block on the TD was a good play however .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 Maybe it's because your reaction is so predictable .. One little remark about Stone and you go on a multi-thread rant.I've just watched the play again on Gamepass and it sure does look like Stone realizes his mistake the moment he takes a step to the right.The block on the TD was a good play however ..So what was Tamme doing? I have shown pics where Tamme is completely LOST in the middle of the pile. Is that how the play was drawn? Tamme stand right in the middle of the pass rush and not block anyone. Sounds legit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) R created a legit thread and some have tried to derail it by saying some "personal" things, and from what I recall that's been a "bannable" offense in the past. Double standard...Whether you agree or not he deserves the respect of staying on the topic at handKeep doing what you do RIts pretty typical Faceless. If it has anything to do with someone that is competition with Joe Hawley, it's their rival. They can't cheer on James Stone and realize that the second year UDFA player not only can play the Center position but also both guard positions for this team is a great asset to have. They have to call him a biotch. They have to say he was tossed like a rag doll just because Joe Hawley LITERALLY got tossed like a rag doll by Calias Campbell years ago. Because of that one gif, now people are trying to make Stone look bad because of the embarrassing gifs on Hawley.BTW, that late hit penalty did give the Jets better field position which eventually led to the punt that landed on the 2 yard line. Thanks Joe for that late hit, it was HILARIOUS and all your fans calling you BRAWLEY. What a tough guy you are. Brawley was so tough, that when he got pushed down straight to his face, NO ONE from the Falcons went to Hawley's defense. In fact, you saw Hawley walk back to the sidelines and not one person wanted to talk to him. He just walked back to the sideline, didn't care, just give him his pay check and let him be Edited August 22, 2015 by R_The_Great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 So what was Tamme doing? I have shown pics where Tamme is completely LOST in the middle of the pile. Is that how the play was drawn? Tamme stand right in the middle of the pass rush and not block anyone. Sounds legitActually, Tamme could've been on a delay... especially if it was a PA pass.- Could've been most of the line to the right, Matthews & Stone to the left... thus creating a running lane to help sell the PA.- Then Tamme stays in for a second to block if anyone comes up the hole... like a LB (he wouldn't be taking on a DT., that would be an obvious mismatch, so that would be the guard's responsibility)- There was a LB right there whom Tamme is staring at, and if that guy doesn't rush, Tamme would be free to release & run a route.Not saying this is the case at all, just putting another possibility out there, because NOBODY on this board actually knows what the play design was & who blew it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon@Denmark Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Actually, Tamme could've been on a delay... especially if it was a PA pass.- Could've been most of the line to the right, Matthews & Stone to the left... thus creating a running lane to help sell the PA.- Then Tamme stays in for a second to block if anyone comes up the hole... like a LB (he wouldn't be taking on a DT., that would be an obvious mismatch, so that would be the guard's responsibility)- There was a LB right there whom Tamme is staring at, and if that guy doesn't rush, Tamme would be free to release & run a route.Not saying this is the case at all, just putting another possibility out there, because NOBODY on this board actually knows what the play design was & who blew it.That's right .. no one knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 This is nutty. Why does it even matter WHO? If it was Stone...so what. He did more good than bad. I actually blamed Yates myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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