k-train Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Here's a comparison of what each has done as a FalconRENFREE74 comp | 90 att | 82.2% | 524 yards | 1 TD | 0 INT | 1:0 TD/INT ratio | 94.6 QB rateYATES54 comp | 98 att | 55% | 726 | 2 TD | 4 INT | 1:2 TD/INT ratio | 68.6 QB rate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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FormerFan-RobertAP Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Renfree had a decent night which was overshadowed by a couple of turnovers which weren't his fault. As the stats show, Renfree has been pretty darn solid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 all I know is this they both totaled only getting 15 yards playing all the way into the third quarter. that is horrible. renfree only started doing good in the middle of the fourth to pad his stats..... and face it guys it is not like he was facing second string anymore. he was facing 3rd and guys who will be cut by next monday. and he could barely do OK against them. while second string and third string player mix, he failed just like yates. yates and renfree had multiple times to make a drive happen. they failed over and over again. in the ending of the first, second, third, half of the fourth..... get rid of them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 all I know is this they both totaled only getting 15 yards playing all the way into the third quarter. that is horrible. renfree only started doing good in the middle of the fourth to pad his stats..... and face it guys it is not like he was facing second string anymore. he was facing 3rd and guys who will be cut by next monday. and he could barely do OK against them. while second string and third string player mix, he failed just like yates. yates and renfree had multiple times to make a drive happen. they failed over and over again. in the ending of the first, second, third, half of the fourth..... get rid of them both. I gotta hand it to you...When you dig in, you don't change your opinion regardless of the facts. The game was still in the balance in the 4th quarter and guess what, the Jets knew Renfree had to pass and he was still completing them. Fact are fact...Yates turns the ball over and Renfree does not while completing a high percentage of his passes even with back ups who mess up from time to time. If given a game plan, the starting offensive line and skill players, I think Renfree would do just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 all I know is this they both totaled only getting 15 yards playing all the way into the third quarter. that is horrible. renfree only started doing good in the middle of the fourth to pad his stats..... and face it guys it is not like he was facing second string anymore. he was facing 3rd and guys who will be cut by next monday. and he could barely do OK against them. while second string and third string player mix, he failed just like yates. yates and renfree had multiple times to make a drive happen. they failed over and over again. in the ending of the first, second, third, half of the fourth..... get rid of them both. Refree had TWO promising drives blown by fumbles by J. Smith & a no-name TE. He still did well with absolutely no help tonight.He gets a pass.Yates continued to stink it up, with no one to blame but himself. That INT was absolutely, unbelievably bad. He could not have telegraphed it any more & made the defender's job any easier. He is not good, man. I know. I live in Chapel Hill & watched his entire college career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Refree had TWO promising drives blown by fumbles by J. Smith & a no-name TE. He still did well with absolutely no help tonight.He gets a pass.Yates continued to stink it up, with no one to blame but himself. That INT was absolutely, unbelievably bad. He could not have telegraphed it any more & made the defender's job any easier. He is not good, man. I know. I live in Chapel Hill & watched his entire college career.I'm not in this to say he blew chunks more. the both sucked. If Ryan went down, neither one of them could help us. We would be flat out screwed . they are not even close to being a back up QB in my book.So lets stop wasting time and go get us a decent backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k-train Posted August 22, 2015 Author Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'm not in this to say he blew chunks more. the both sucked. If Ryan went down, neither one of them could help us. We would be flat out screwed . they are not even close to being a back up QB in my book.So lets stop wasting time and go get us a decent backup. I watched them both in college. Yates played here in Chapel Hill & Refree was 15 minutes away at Duke.Renfree is good, man. He's incredibly smart (got his masters from Duke w/ a 3.8 GPA & plans to go to medical school eventually). He can make all the throws & has great accuracy. His college coach was responsible for turning both Peyton & Eli Manning into the QBs they became & he says Renfree has the work ethic of Peyton & the drive of another guy he coached... Patrick Willis. Renfree got better & better each year at Duke.Since he got here, he has never been given a chance to play with anything but scrubs. Even then, with absolutely no help, he's putting up super solid numbers & protecting the football well in the process.When he gets a legit chance to play UNINTERRUPTED for a quarter or half & with better than PS/cut level talent around him, I have no doubt he will prove he can be a solid #2 QB for us.There is a reason Jim Harbaugh offered him a scholarship to Stanford & later wanted to draft him to SF. There is a reason Mike Mayock thought he could be the steal of the draft. There is a reason the Mannings have him as a part of their football camp & offseason training program. He has the tools, he just needs a real chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashburn*Fibonacci Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I watched them both in college. Yates played here in Chapel Hill & Refree was 15 minutes away at Duke.Renfree is good, man. He's incredibly smart (got his masters from Duke w/ a 3.8 GPA & plans to go to medical school eventually). He can make all the throws & has great accuracy. His college coach was responsible for turning both Peyton & Eli Manning into the QBs they became & he says Renfree has the work ethic of Peyton & the drive of another guy he coached... Patrick Willis. Renfree got better & better each year at Duke.Since he got here, he has never been given a chance to play with anything but scrubs. Even then, with absolutely no help, he's putting up super solid numbers & protecting the football well in the process.When he gets a legit chance to play UNINTERRUPTED for a quarter or half & with better than PS/cut level talent around him, I have no doubt he will prove he can be a solid #2 QB for us.There is a reason Jim Harbaugh offered him a scholarship to Stanford & later wanted to draft him to SF. There is a reason Mike Mayock thought he could be the steal of the draft. There is a reason the Mannings have him as a part of their football camp & offseason training program. He has the tools, he just needs a real chance. real chance? Every time I've seen him take on a second string he didn't perform well. last year and again this year. Yates.... Funny I went to chapel Hill when I was a kid. But of course I'm older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 How are they doing in THIS system? Time to move away from both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I like that they alternated today. I am concerned by Yates accuracy. Renfree had a few bad breaks with the fumble/penalty on his first drive, then the Jerome Smith cough up, the Reedy almost catch for like 40+ yards. Renfree>Yates all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I'm not in this to say he blew chunks more. the both sucked. If Ryan went down, neither one of them could help us. We would be flat out screwed . they are not even close to being a back up QB in my book.So lets stop wasting time and go get us a decent backup. Like Who????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaville Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I liked the alternating too. One probable scenario is that our backup would need to come in for a few plays while Ryan gets checked out. Not going to get a lot of time to get in rhythm. I think that Renfree looked very shaky when he got in the game early and looked passable only because Yates has been so bad. Renfree is winning the competition so far for backup, but that's not saying much, or means that we would stand a chance if he got in a real game. At least not yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peoriabird Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I liked the alternating too. One probable scenario is that our backup would need to come in for a few plays while Ryan gets checked out. Not going to get a lot of time to get in rhythm.I think that Renfree looked very shaky when he got in the game early and looked passable only because Yates has been so bad.Renfree is winning the competition so far for backup, but that's not saying much, or means that we would stand a chance if he got in a real game. At least not yet.How do you know this without seeing him play with the #1????? Nobody is saying that he would beat the Packers in the NFC championship game...Ryan hasn't done that but could he beat the Bucs? I wouldn't rule it out like y'all have after a preseason where he has completed darn near all of his passes playing with scrubs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alphaville Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 How do you know this without seeing him play with the #1????? Nobody is saying that he would beat the Packers in the NFC championship game...Ryan hasn't done that but could he beat the Bucs? I wouldn't rule it out like y'all have after a preseason where he has completed darn near all of his passes playing with scrubs!Don't get me wrong, I like Renfree and am hoping they continue to develop him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FentayeJones Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 What difference does it make if one is better than the other when they both stink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOYLE Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 (edited) How are they doing in THIS system? Time to move away from both.Yates is absolutely terrible and Renfree disqualified himself for consideration with a deer in the headlights performance.Coming into this game I was solidly behind Renfree and was not worried at all about the backup QB position. Unlessthere was family tragedy or something causing him to notto show up I think we have to look at some other candidates. Edited August 22, 2015 by HOYLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I like that they alternated today. I am concerned by Yates accuracy.You're concerned by Yates' accuracy? WHAT accuracy? How can you be concerned about that which does not exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawggone Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Yates has got to go today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdz4i Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Refree had TWO promising drives blown by fumbles by J. Smith & a no-name TE. He still did well with absolutely no help tonight.He gets a pass.Yates continued to stink it up, with no one to blame but himself. That INT was absolutely, unbelievably bad. He could not have telegraphed it any more & made the defender's job any easier. He is not good, man. I know. I live in Chapel Hill & watched his entire college career.yeah, nevermind the 3 drops last night, 2 by hardy and the other one by 19 or whomever.nfl career yates playoff winrenfree nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*NiteFalcon* Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Both of them are subpar. We don't even need to discuss how bad Yates has been the last 2 preseasons aside from 1 game against the Jags last year. Anyone who watches Renfree can see that he clearly does not have an NFL caliber arm. The field becomes immensely small with Renfree as your QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
⚡Slumerican⚡ Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Both looked terrible against second and third string defense last night. Meaning first string defense would make them look even worse. We don't have a backup quarterback atm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monolith2001 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I like that they alternated today. I am concerned by Yates accuracy. Renfree had a few bad breaks with the fumble/penalty on his first drive, then the Jerome Smith cough up, the Reedy almost catch for like 40+ yards. Renfree>Yates all day. While I am not a fan of the alternating (hard to get a rhythm), what Romfal said is exactly where I am. It is hard to judge these guys when everything around them is breaking down but one thing a QB has to be is accurate and make good decisions and Renfree is just better at both. Yates' accuracy has been pretty bad (too high/too low to wide open receivers). He was also holding the ball too much again.I really think it is time we start thinking about sending Yates to FA and bring in someone whose crosshairs are better aligned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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