BuckheadFan Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Boomer Esiason was always the best on play action. But, in the first pre-season game, it looked like Matt Ryan has greatly improved on the play action.Nice to see - means he's working hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Maybe, but I've always thought Ryan was deadly on play action going all the way back to his rookie year. One of the best in the leagues. But, he also had Turner who was definitely feared so maybe he was a little overrated. But still, always seemed like he had a great skill for PA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird56 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 No he's always been really good. You just forgot what it looks like cause of these past 2 seasons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Our PA game was very crisp in PSG1. I liked it. I also like the idea of getting Julio into the middle of the field with deep square ins and stuff like that. I think that stuff was a little too light in the previous offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Return of the Gaucho Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Matt has always been great on Play Action, but there hasn't really been a running game the past few seasons to keep the defense honest. I have no idea if that running game will return this season, but Matt's ability to run the play action will not be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Radical Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Ryan has always been great at PA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaschart Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I'm still stunned at how well PA worked when we clearly had no running game. The Titans were 2-14 last year, so it might have more to do with them than us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 he was always good with it IMO. We just ran it a lot less under Koetter it felt like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRUUUU Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Agreed, the Jets are a much tougher test on Friday night though, excited to see a couple of series Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFalcon25 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 In that one drive he definitely looked good. The problem is, unless our run game actually develops, defenses aren't going to bite on that play action for long. I'm sure defenses in the preseason are going to expect us to run a lot since we're trying to work out a new blocking scheme. One the regular season starts, they're not going to honor that play action until we start bulldozing them on the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 No he's always been really good. You just forgot what it looks like cause of these past 2 seasonsThis."Playaction? PLAYaction?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Matt is no stranger to PA.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I'm still stunned at how well PA worked when we clearly had no running game. The Titans were 2-14 last year, so it might have more to do with them than us.The running game was a little underwhelming but I thought there were holes there. As nice a story as Ward is, I don't think he's particularly talented... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfilmfan Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Nah Ryan has tape up on tape where he gives a B.S PA. My guess is coaching pointed this out. I remember one game last year where Ryan didn't even go over and stretch on the PA on a stretch play! Guess he buying into the idea of getting better like everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I've always considered Ryan to be one of if not the best PA passer in the league. That's why I was so happy when Kyle got the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 I've always considered Ryan to be one of if not the best PA passer in the league. That's why I was so happy when Kyle got the job.Me too. Let the man play to his strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Boomer Esiason was always the best on play action. But, in the first pre-season game, it looked like Matt Ryan has greatly improved on the play action.Nice to see - means he's working hard.He's always been a play action surgeon. That's part of his game. That's why the last scheme was a fail even tho he did well in it. Without play action and roll outs and just straight drop backs it limited what Matt does and increased sacks and int's. The line wasn't the greatest but the scheme was the biggest culprit. Abandoning the run too early and no play action to slow linebackers down. 2012 he lit teams up with playaction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Nah Ryan has tape up on tape where he gives a B.S PA. My guess is coaching pointed this out. I remember one game last year where Ryan didn't even go over and stretch on the PA on a stretch play! Guess he buying into the idea of getting better like everyone else.That scheme didn't utilize play action. Lack of running the ball also defuses play action. Ryan is a play action surgeon. His career literally mirrors Peyton Mannings. Manning is also a pa surgeon. The vertical offense just doesn't emphasize that. You need a scheme that features the run to be the surgeon that he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Matt has always been great on Play Action, but there hasn't really been a running game the past few seasons to keep the defense honest. I have no idea if that running game will return this season, but Matt's ability to run the play action will not be a problem. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moist Words Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Has anyone said Matt has always been good at PA yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 That scheme didn't utilize play action. Lack of running the ball also defuses play action. Ryan is a play action surgeon. His career literally mirrors Peyton Mannings. Manning is also a pa surgeon. The vertical offense just doesn't emphasize that. You need a scheme that features the run to be the surgeon that he is.It can, though. Manning has always run a Coryell system until this season. The problem is in the implementation. Koetter was more Martz than, say, Norv Turner or Cam Cameron, even though they're basically the same system. Had he tried to implement a strong running game and PA, he could have. It was more a coaching problem than a system problem, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Matt is no stranger to PA....You're right, he grew up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Put another way, Koetter's version of the Coryell system, with the 4 wide, single back, no TE sets was problematic for PA because it took out blockers for the run game, so the other team always knew that 1) we had to pass, or 2) they could easily defend the run because of a lack of blocking up front. Had he gone 21 personnel, and just sent the FB, RB or TE out on pass routes when he wanted, it would work better. When you have a FB and TE in the game, the other team is forced to respect the run.Which is why I vastly prefer the WCO Shanahan runs to the 4-wide chuck and duck Coryell variant Koetter ran. I think Koetter is a brilliant OC, but we never had the o-line to run his system effectively, and he never seemed to want to change the system to fit the personnel we had. Put him in Dallas and they'd score 50 every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 You're right, he grew up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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