nycfalcon Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Would love to hear both sides of this argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOR Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 He 0robably already is. There are only a handful of good GMs in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfalconsp Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 He has been since he came in, and last nights performance showed me most blunders weren't on him.He's gotten us Ryan, Julio, Trufant, Matthews, and Beasley. His other first round picks would've panned out had it not been for injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyhateme : ) Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Perhaps, because he made moves to get guys here for DQ to work with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelley#37 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 not related...scheme doesn't make a GM...I thought he was a top 10 GM before DQ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff_Man Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 If Soliai and Jackson being to emerge under new coaching, then TD had the right idea. He just needed to change coaches, which he did. Although I think Nolan was the bigger issue changes needed to be made. After one preseason game, it looks like this might all come together. If it does, owner, GM and coaches should all get credit, not just whomever someone likes more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Dog Named Brian Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 inb4 whatever the h*** happens next, incoming!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulitik Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yep. Talent is only as good as it's coaching. You can't expect the guy to grab 8-10 players a year that can transcend coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yes. It just proves he was saddled by a dunce of a HC who couldn't spot talent. Like I've been saying. Nobody could find me a good GM with a bad HC. That combo rarely exists. Once the talent is on the roster, the HC has all the power. The GM is an errand boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneOne01 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 not related...scheme doesn't make a GM...This. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WornOutFalconFan Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 I won't be sold til we have a Lombardi Trophy locked behind glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papachaz Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 If Soliai and Jackson being to emerge under new coaching, then TD had the right idea. He just needed to change coaches, which he did. Although I think Nolan was the bigger issue changes needed to be made. After one preseason game, it looks like this might all come together. If it does, owner, GM and coaches should all get credit, not just whomever someone likes more.thing is though, if I correctly understand all I've read since smitty was let go, is that smitty/nolan were the ones who wanted Paul and Tyson, and TD wanted to go get edge rushers............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 thing is though, if I correctly understand all I've read since smitty was let go, is that smitty/nolan were the ones who wanted Paul and Tyson, and TD wanted to go get edge rushers............ That's correct. Or at least it's correct that Smitty/Nolan wanted inside guys. One can assume they wanted Soliai since Nolan coached him in Miami. Pioli might have pushed for Jackson. In any event, I think it's obvious that both are playing better in this scheme, so this is still a coaching issue IMHO. Soliai had that one sack last season where they ran the stunt (ARRGGGHHH!) and Jackson was a ghost. We're one preseason game in and both have flashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draftnut57 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 A lot of people on these boards don't realize the great Job TD has done since joining this team. You would have to have been a fan for 42 years like me to know what a great thing it was to get someone who has common football sense ..( Especially concerning the draft and Facy ) . It's now all coming together. It takes a lot of ajjustments , failures, learning curbs, to learn what to do and not do... We are now extremely close to a Championship.. Wouldn't surprise me if we won it this year. But definitely think we can win it all within the next 2 years. As long as Ryan stays healthy. That is the key. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdman71 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Depends on how the rookies and the free agents do on this team and the record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Cooper Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Would love to hear both sides of this argument.No, he is a top ten good listener and follower of directions. Dan Quinn i the architect of this team. It should come as no surprise that the talent pool improved dramatically via FA and the draft with a change in HC only.Mr Blank gets credit for getting the HC right this time. Edited August 15, 2015 by Ryan_2.0_WCO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draftnut57 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Some people are just not very good communicators , And Every Coach should have that gift, if not, they are in the wrong field,, Example ...Smith, I really like the man but he don't have that gift that a Coach needs. Nope, not one bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneOne01 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 After looking at a list of all the NFL GM's, things get real hazy after the obvious top 7 or so GM's. The top 4 are obvious. You get to Elway, Keim, and Mike Brown who are up there IMO. How would you evaluate Jerry Reese or Loomis? Guys who have won a Superbowl but have struggled recently in certain areas? And low key, Gettleman has done a **** good job after the cap mess Hurney left Carolina in. Plus his drafts have been really nice. I'd probably put Dimitroff in the same area as Grigson, Dorsey, Spielman, and Rick Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yeah he's already a top ten GM. He's missed on some guys but everyone does. He's still better than at least 22 other GMs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intellectually Honest Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 Yep. Talent is only as good as it's coaching. You can't expect the guy to grab 8-10 players a year that can transcend coaching.This doesn't make sense. The fact that for every team has their share of scrubs, which according to this statement you just made, that it was the coaches fault. I think you have it backwards. Talent is just a synonym for their natural abilities ie athleticism and their intelligence. Now coaching is just a form of teaching, but if the player lacks the intelligence, or is too slow to pick up the information fast enough by comparison to the other players on the roster, they will be cut.Some of these players are kept around because how athletic they are and the coaches and GM hope that eventually they will learn the game well enough where their physical ability can actually be used constructively on the field. But the reality is their is a gradient for intelligence and physical attributes each player has. The same goes with coaching. Coaches if they are great can only do their best to max out the player's potential but they cannot give it to them.The success of each player is contingent on their own abilities, their will, and the scheming of the coaches. It is a combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 thing is though, if I correctly understand all I've read since smitty was let go, is that smitty/nolan were the ones who wanted Paul and Tyson, and TD wanted to go get edge rushers............He did want edge rushers. But he dtill got Smitty and Nolan what they wanted. The problem was #1 asking them to bulk up a little more #2 not using them correctly. Last night playing in their respective techniques, they looked strong, fast, and fierce. So many guys wanted to cut both of them last season it's a shame. Especially TJax. So many rode him in the ground it's a shame. But like I've said, us fans have to know what's going on with the scheme and WHY the players are playing the way they do and most fans just watch a game and expect results no matter what. Even if it's not the players responsibility in the scheme. Remember Nolan and Smitty said we need interior guys and we'll MANUFACTURE or SCHEME a pass rush. I knew then we were in for trouble. That was key for "don't expect soliai and jackson to rush. Then they put babs at DE. Smh. Like I've said time and time again. It's football not rocket science. Smitty and Nolan started out thinking themselves to the point THEY weren't even on the same page anymore. Just line up and whip the guy in front of you. Old school football. And that's what Quinn brought with him. And you saw it for 2 series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningThePiszOuttaTheBall Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 No. For 7 years now, his number 1 mission in life has been to craft us a roster brimming with hall of fame talent.We don't have that.It's that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 No. For 7 years now, his number 1 mission in life has been to craft us a roster brimming with hall of fame talent.We don't have that.It's that simple.I think when it's all said and done this very roster now has at LEAST 3 or 4 potential hof'ers. 5 if Beasley is the real deal. Matt RyanJulio JonesJake MatthewsTru That's my potential list of Hof'ers this team has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GATXBOI Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 No doubt because he acquired the pieces and we will have a top ten team. Meaning deep runs in the playoffs,and eventually a Super Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted August 15, 2015 Share Posted August 15, 2015 If Soliai and Jackson being to emerge under new coaching, then TD had the right idea. He just needed to change coaches, which he did. Although I think Nolan was the bigger issue changes needed to be made. After one preseason game, it looks like this might all come together. If it does, owner, GM and coaches should all get credit, not just whomever someone likes more.thing is, if you go back and look at TJackson from last season, he did EXACTLY what the coaches wanted him to do. that's why I got confused by people wanting to cut him. same with Soliai. TD didn't make them play roles they weren't suited for or ask them to put on unnecessary weight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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