Cb Collins Struggling, Getting Constant 'tongue Lashings'

[isproab]

Honestly, besides QB the CB position is one of the hardest to play. Collins was highly rated. I've seen him have really good games in college. I would rather have a highly rated guys that has a lot of upside than a shorter / slower guys that may be more polished at this point. So much of what you have to deal with at the CB spot is about match ups. If the pass rush can be middle of the road, that will go a long way towards helping the CB play. Trufant is one of the best young CBs in the NFL. Alford struggled last year, but I've see worse. Let's just hope Collins works hard and can make an impact this year.

[RHEC]

All draft picks are projects.

[brown bomber]

alford was a 1st rd talent that we got in the 2nd rd, but he was by far more polished and proved it by getting the starting position.

Collins has 1st rd talent, but we got in the 2nd rd for different reasons.he isnt nearly as polished as alford coming out, and spending a 2nd rd pick on him and not ready to make a impact stamps project.

Ijs thats my opinion tho

Great post....agree 1000%

[SkerFalcon8710]

Trae Waynes

That is all

[MasterBateser]

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[Vandy]

That doesn't really make sense. All indications are that his attitude at camp has been phenomenal, it's his technique that's so lacking.

Makes perfect sense to me. Has 1st Round measurable a yet only started 10 games in his college career. Came out of one of the best colleges for CBs in country with bad technique.....why do you suppose that is?

Edited August 12, 2015 by Vandy

[Vandy]

I want to know who the draft picks that AREN'T projects are. Aaron Donald?

The vast majority of rookie players are projects. The game is different at this level. Everyone comes in needing to work on things. For some reason, people seem to equate drafting a rookie in the first two rounds with signing a big time free agent.

Good post. I would add though that some are bigger projects than others. When I hear 'project', I hear immaturity issues and needing to grow up. Collins falls into that category, IMO. Edited August 12, 2015 by Vandy

[hjerry]

Everytime that I read through this thread, I keep having flashbacks to all the hate threads that got started on Hageman last year. I swear it's like dejavu.

[Knight of God]

Trae Waynes

That is all

Sammie Coates tooled him all night long on Sunday.

[LightningDawg58]

Just because he has measureables doesnt mean he will automatically develop in to anything special. People want to compare him to Alford but Alford had natural instincts for the position, his drawback was being too aggressive which is not a bad trait just something that has to be harnessed and used at the right time. Meanwhile Collins does not have natural instincts at all. Dude is an athlete and thats it. He looked average on film and is getting abused now. He still hops backwards when the reciever takes his first step which is a wasted movement that got him burned in college and will continue to get him burned in the pros. People just assumed he would develop into a star with pro level coaching and he was drafted purely on that potential. I for one am not surprised he is struggling and I highly doubt he turns in to anything of significance for us.

[madman88]

I understand both sides. There were definitely A LOT of talented players available when we picked Collins. Defensive Ends, Linebackers, Safeties, Offensive Lineman, etc. A LOT. I could count on one hand how many people on here were even mentioning Collins as a player the Falcons should get. I sure as **** wasn't. I remember wanting Kendricks and Diggy specifically.

On the other hand, we needed a player with Collins measurable for match up purposes. Just in our division, we had Evans, Seferian-Jenkins, and Benjamin drafted into our division last season. Funchess this season. Olsen and Vincent Jackson already are established players on rival teams. Continuing the smaller corner thing is the definition of hustling backwards. Given the obvious trend of teams adopting the big corner mentality, it was only a matter of time before Atlanta grabbed one. Especially with Quinn here. Plus, if Collins pans out, he'll be a legit #2 corner for us. His upside is higher than Alford's.

good post, but alford still hasnt reached his ceiling yet.. being able to jam at the line is what im most anxious in seeing from him.

Taller doesnt mean better and i think ball skills wise he is better then trufant in that area..

IM NOT SAYING HE IS BETTER lol

[Knight of God]

good post, but alford still hasnt reached his ceiling yet.. being able to jam at the line is what im most anxious in seeing from him.

Taller doesnt mean better and i think ball skills wise he is better then trufant in that area..

IM NOT SAYING HE IS BETTER lol

Excellent point!!!

[peoriabird]

Just because he has measureables doesnt mean he will automatically develop in to anything special. People want to compare him to Alford but Alford had natural instincts for the position, his drawback was being too aggressive which is not a bad trait just something that has to be harnessed and used at the right time. Meanwhile Collins does not have natural instincts at all. Dude is an athlete and thats it. He looked average on film and is getting abused now. He still hops backwards when the reciever takes his first step which is a wasted movement that got him burned in college and will continue to get him burned in the pros. People just assumed he would develop into a star with pro level coaching and he was drafted purely on that potential. I for one am not surprised he is struggling and I highly doubt he turns in to anything of significance for us.

You're right...No one gets better after their 9th training camp practice.

[LightningDawg58]

You're right...No one gets better after their 9th training camp practice.

Some people have it and others dont. Despite early struggles I believed Alford did, I believe Rashede does too. I however dont think Collins does and I can go on record now as saying that. And we can revisit this after 2 or 3 years if you want. Doesnt really matter to me. Im excited for the rest of our DBs especially in this system. I think we will be just fine no matter how this kid develops. I'll happily eat crow if Im wrong.

[brown bomber]

Some people have it and others dont. Despite early struggles I believed Alford did, I believe Rashede does too. I however dont think Collins does and I can go on record now as saying that. And we can revisit this after 2 or 3 years if you want. Doesnt really matter to me. Im excited for the rest of our DBs especially in this system. I think we will be just fine no matter how this kid develops. I'll happily eat crow if Im wrong.

I don't think you'll have to eat crow. Collins doesn't have it and probably will never be anything but average. Alford was more advanced than him coming out. Even in college he looked lost on the field to me.

[Bobby.Digital]

I don't think you'll have to eat crow. Collins doesn't have it and probably will never be anything but average. Alford was more advanced than him coming out. Even in college he looked lost on the field to me.

Alford was also 2 years older and a lot more experienced playing the position when he declared compared to Jalen.

[putnam6]

I'll admit I wanted 5-6 other guys ahead of Collins. The kid is a project needing work in technique and more so maturity and attitude. But as a Falcon fan, I hope I'm dead wrong about him.

Me too, but he is a Falcon now, so who knows? maybe just the Falcons drafting him so early, inspires Alford that much more.

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

I think JC was the right pick in the 2nd round...struggles were expected.

He still has a high ceiling like Hageman.

[youngbloodz]

A lot of Falcon fans have been conditioned to cling onto mediocrity. I wonder why? Like they don't want the best; they want the overlooked, hidden gem, underachiever, feel good story player more than the ones that produce results. They have been conditioned or brainwashed to looking for "hidden gems" early in the draft. Why? Why not use the later rounds for that and go for the best on the board? We ALL know that we don't know what will happen after the draft and the season starts, but we ALL SHOULD know that watching the previous games (college, senior, East vs West, etc...) which ones are the best on the draft board at the time.

this makes absolutely no sense. Every team has a different draft board rankings. I mean it's unfathomable how someone can't understand this simple concept

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

Good post. I would add though that some are bigger projects than others. When I hear 'project', I hear immaturity issues and needing to grow up. Collins falls into that category, IMO.

But even that I don't think is true. Marcus Mariota was deemed a "project" but by all accounts he's an intelligent, mature young man. EJ Manuel is another "project" who has always been considered a mature young man.

Project means two things to me:

Either a guy who is less experienced than the average prospect and subsequently will need more time developing

or

A guy with plus physical tools that either performs inconsistently or at a level below what you would expect from their physical attributes.

I think both options take for granted that all but a small handful of rookies are still "raw" and in need of polish/technique work/etc. Because a guy needs a little more doesnt make him a different animal. The baseline for how refined a rookie is when he comes into the league is very low.

[gazoo]

Either Benardrick McKinney, Hau'oli Kikaha, Eric Kendricks, Jaquiski Tartt, Eric Rowe, Denzel Perryman, Mitch Morse, Ronald Darby, Nate Orchard, Jake Fisher, Maxx Williams, Markus Golden, Randy Gregory or Ali Marpet would have been a better choice.

Troffed.

Good to be seeing you are confirming these draft picks are indeed TD's picks. I look forward to revisting this a little later in the season.

[Falkonator]

I honestly see this topic,see slot of these posts,and to me alot of people seem bitter cuz we didn't draft who they wanted,due to this they basically have given Collins no chance,some basically already deeming him a bust,when he has missed most of, if not all of OTA and mini camp,putting him behind everyone. The guy has had 9 training camp practices and has yet to even play a game, is he behind yes is he a raw prospect no doubt. People need to let go of this hate towards the guy cuz he wasn't their guy in the draft. People are we quick to bash a guy,I mean you'd figure this fan base would be a little more calm with a rookie,when we as fans of this sport saw a player who many on here wanted gone after year 3,(few defended him)flourish into at one point a top 5-10 player at his position. Could it be maybe many who didn't want trufant here have put a new expectation on rookie CBs?(trufant is a rare talent) whatever it is. People need to take of the hater glasses,and let their issues for the guy go already. Give him a chance. I'm just glad all these people on here bitching about Collins are just wanna be gms.