Flying Falcon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 A lot of Falcon fans have been conditioned to cling onto mediocrity. I wonder why? Like they don't want the best; they want the overlooked, hidden gem, underachiever, feel good story player more than the ones that produce results. They have been conditioned or brainwashed to looking for "hidden gems" early in the draft. Why? Why not use the later rounds for that and go for the best on the board? We ALL know that we don't know what will happen after the draft and the season starts, but we ALL SHOULD know that watching the previous games (college, senior, East vs West, etc...) which ones are the best on the draft board at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Don't know of many "underdog" 2nd round draft picks with some first round gradesThen we just set a new mark, cause we just drafted an "underdog" with our 2nd round pick. You may call him a "project", but I call him an "underdog". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Don't know of many "underdog" 2nd round draft picks with some first round gradesDon't know too many "projects" that's drafted in the 2nd round either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Don't know too many "projects" that's drafted in the 2nd round either.Our 2nd year defensive tackle who will be starting this year was drafted in the second round and thought by many to be a "project" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiohead Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Definitely rare for DBs to come in straight out of college (especially with limited collegiate experience like Collins) and turn out to be a stud like Trufant...But, having said that... Really wish this story was about a 4th Round CB and not a 2nd Rounder.The Falcons are going to need their 1st and 2nd Round picks of this past draft and the next few to come, especially those picked on the Defense, to contribute as productive starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Then we just set a new mark, cause we just drafted an "underdog" with our 2nd round pick. You may call him a "project", but I call him an "underdog".alford was a 1st rd talent that we got in the 2nd rd, but he was by far more polished and proved it by getting the starting position.Collins has 1st rd talent, but we got in the 2nd rd for different reasons.he isnt nearly as polished as alford coming out, and spending a 2nd rd pick on him and not ready to make a impact stamps project. Ijs thats my opinion tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Our 2nd year defensive tackle who will be starting this year was drafted in the second round and thought by many to be a "project"he was a project in the sense that he needed to be preped to become a pro.He needed to get his fundamentals straighten out and was far to inconsistent in his game. Project doesnt mean a guy wnt be ready for 2-3 yrs. Ever guys situation is different so in his case it was more about cleaning up his game and getting in shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 he was a project in the sense that he needed to be preped to become a pro.He needed to get his fundamentals straighten out and was far to inconsistent in his game.Sounds like Jalen Collins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Definitely rare for DBs to come in straight out of college (especially with limited collegiate experience like Collins) and turn out to be a stud like Trufant...But, having said that... Really wish this story was about a 4th Round CB and not a 2nd Rounder.The Falcons are going to need their 1st and 2nd Round picks of this past draft and the next few to come, especially those picked on the Defense, to contribute as productive starters. alford was a 1st rd talent that we got in the 2nd rd, but he was by far more polished and proved it by getting the starting position.Collins has 1st rd talent, but we got in the 2nd rd for different reasons.he isnt nearly as polished as alford coming out, and spending a 2nd rd pick on him and not ready to make a impact stamps project. Ijs thats my opinion tho he was a project in the sense that he needed to be preped to become a pro.He needed to get his fundamentals straighten out and was far to inconsistent in his game. Project doesnt mean a guy wnt be ready for 2-3 yrs. Ever guys situation is different so in his case it was more about cleaning up his game and getting in shape.And I agree. That 2nd round pick would have been better spent somewhere else, cause most believe that 1st and 2nd round picks are used for starting positions, not "projects". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Sounds like Jalen CollinsNot even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis York Morgan Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 And that's largely part of the reason for the last two seasons we were picking near the top. Because a lot of folks loves to "root" for the underdog that the Falcons draft instead of wanting the Falcons to draft the best player available.No one here has anything to do with how crap the Falcons have been you loon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 No one here has anything to do with how crap the Falcons have been you loon.Yeah, I think YOU were part of the Smitty regime. Tell the truth, shame the devil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Either Benardrick McKinney, Hau'oli Kikaha, Eric Kendricks, Jaquiski Tartt, Eric Rowe, Denzel Perryman, Mitch Morse, Ronald Darby, Nate Orchard, Jake Fisher, Maxx Williams, Markus Golden, Randy Gregory or Ali Marpet would have been a better choice. Troffed.HERES A BUNCH OF NAMES I READ ON A SCOUT RANKING. ILL DROP THEM OUT AS THEY FAIL SO IM LEFT WITH DA GOOD ONESEdit to add: We DEFINITELY should have taken 4th round prospect Jaquiski Tartt. That would have made a lot of sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I hope people remember this post a year or two from now when you're only mentioning 1/4 of the names on those lists as the ones we should've taken.Did you notice how Gregory was already removed from the top of the list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) A lot of Falcon fans have been conditioned to cling onto mediocrity. I wonder why? Like they don't want the best; they want the overlooked, hidden gem, underachiever, feel good story player more than the ones that produce results. They have been conditioned or brainwashed to looking for "hidden gems" early in the draft. Why? Why not use the later rounds for that and go for the best on the board? We ALL know that we don't know what will happen after the draft and the season starts, but we ALL SHOULD know that watching the previous games (college, senior, East vs West, etc...) which ones are the best on the draft board at the time.I think you've been reaching in this thread man. Especially when you Try to say that that somebody who wants a falcons prospect to succeed is just just to validate themselves. It goes the other way around 9 times outta 10. Edited August 11, 2015 by Atlfanstckndenver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 FTR: Jalen Collins pre-draft ranks:NFL.com: 23rd overall http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-gradeCBS: 39th overall http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824824/jalen-collinsWalter: 1st-2nd round pick http://walterfootball.com/draft2015CB.phpSI: 40th overall http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/03/30/2015-nfl-draft-big-board-top-64-prospectsAdd in a dash of scheme match and there you have it. A perfectly sound, reasonable pick by the FO/coaching staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 And I agree. That 2nd round pick would have been better spent somewhere else, cause most believe that 1st and 2nd round picks are used for starting positions, not "projects".This is a fundamental misunderstanding of the draft process. Try harder. Do more research. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoneOne01 Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I understand both sides. There were definitely A LOT of talented players available when we picked Collins. Defensive Ends, Linebackers, Safeties, Offensive Lineman, etc. A LOT. I could count on one hand how many people on here were even mentioning Collins as a player the Falcons should get. I sure as **** wasn't. I remember wanting Kendricks and Diggy specifically. On the other hand, we needed a player with Collins measurable for match up purposes. Just in our division, we had Evans, Seferian-Jenkins, and Benjamin drafted into our division last season. Funchess this season. Olsen and Vincent Jackson already are established players on rival teams. Continuing the smaller corner thing is the definition of hustling backwards. Given the obvious trend of teams adopting the big corner mentality, it was only a matter of time before Atlanta grabbed one. Especially with Quinn here. Plus, if Collins pans out, he'll be a legit #2 corner for us. His upside is higher than Alford's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I understand both sides. There were definitely A LOT of talented players available when we picked Collins. Defensive Ends, Linebackers, Safeties, Offensive Lineman, etc. A LOT. I could count on one hand how many people on here were even mentioning Collins as a player the Falcons should get. I sure as **** wasn't. I remember wanting Kendricks and Diggy specifically. On the other hand, we needed a player with Collins measurable for match up purposes. Just in our division, we had Evans, Seferian-Jenkins, and Benjamin drafted into our division last season. Funchess this season. Olsen and Vincent Jackson already are established players on rival teams. Continuing the smaller corner thing is the definition of hustling backwards. Given the obvious trend of teams adopting the big corner mentality, it was only a matter of time before Atlanta grabbed one. Especially with Quinn here. Plus, if Collins pans out, he'll be a legit #2 corner for us. His upside is higher than Alford's.This exactly. I was a Kendricks guy. I thought he fit what we will eventually need at MLB. But just because the FO didn't pick "my guy" means they ****** up. Like you said, the Panthers and Bucs are clearly looking for jumbo sized WRs who will be able to win at the catch point above smaller CBs. We took a guy with great length and athleticism who projects very very well to what Quinn likes to see out of his corners. Further, the narrative is already being set up by the usual suspects. We had a strong draft and its all because of Quinn/Pioli. Except Collins. Collins was a "bad pick" so he's "troffed"It's complete nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 (edited) So let me get this right. We're less than 2 weeks into training camp and our 2nd round pick is a bust? Man I swear some of you guys are so bad for your own health. Gonna give yourself a heartattack or something. Chill and let the year play our then we can re assess. Edited August 11, 2015 by Jsid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I want to know who the draft picks that AREN'T projects are. Aaron Donald? The vast majority of rookie players are projects. The game is different at this level. Everyone comes in needing to work on things. For some reason, people seem to equate drafting a rookie in the first two rounds with signing a big time free agent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterBateser Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 And that's largely part of the reason for the last two seasons we were picking near the top. Because a lot of folks loves to "root" for the underdog that the Falcons draft instead of wanting the Falcons to draft the best player available.Yes it is the fans fault the Falcons have done bad, we have told the Falcons to get hurt, ignore the lines, and call timeouts at the wrong times. Us (actual Falcons fans) apologize for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 its cool, all rooks have growing pains, keep that foot up his *** until he gets better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Falcon Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Yes it is the fans fault the Falcons have done bad, we have told the Falcons to get hurt, ignore the lines, and call timeouts at the wrong times. Us (actual Falcons fans) apologize for this.Lover, you're a good guy. Like your humor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 I want to know who the draft picks that AREN'T projects are. Aaron Donald? The vast majority of rookie players are projects. The game is different at this level. Everyone comes in needing to work on things. For some reason, people seem to equate drafting a rookie in the first two rounds with signing a big time free agent. I wish I could like this post 10 times due to the bolded part. I see it everyday on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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