Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Every time Joey T gets called up to the majors he's given a new number. What's the deal with that? Nobody has 28 that I'm aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 So you don't want to discuss the players themselves? Gotcha.Come on, this is lazy.You're the one that claim the Braves right now at this moment don't like the trade and should have accepted one of the other offers they had for Gattis and yet you don't have a thing to backup that claim. It makes you look silly and you're too good of a poster for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 So you don't want to discuss the players themselves? Gotcha.Come on, this is lazy.Lazy is throwing out a stat like .900 OPS against and saying that makes a bad trade. I know you didn't like that trade. You didn't like it from the beginning. You've never cared for Foltynewicz or Ruiz. You liked Gattis. I get it. But you're acting like Foltynewicz is the first pitcher to struggle in his first big league starts, or that Ruiz is the first prospect to struggle with his first taste of AA pitching. In 1988, were you upset by the Doyle Alexander trade after John Smoltz stunk up the joint in his first 12 starts? You have to let these things breathe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Lazy is throwing out a stat like .900 OPS against and saying that makes a bad trade. I know you didn't like that trade. You didn't like it from the beginning. You've never cared for Foltynewicz or Ruiz. You liked Gattis. I get it. But you're acting like Foltynewicz is the first pitcher to struggle in his first big league starts, or that Ruiz is the first prospect to struggle with his first taste of AA pitching. A .900 OPS against isn't an out of nowhere stat and you know it. If Folty were a marginal minor league player called up to the bigs for emergency starts, everyone would be SCREAMING to get him off the team. It's why I posted the stats of other pitchers who were (relatively) harder to hit. Prospect status only goes so far. Everything you say about my impressions of each player is true, and it's magnified by knowing that Gattis was the best player we had outside of Freeman for scoring on his own, something we've sorely missed. That doesn't change the fact that if the Braves were offered the same prospects right now for the same player, they'd scoff at it. If you disagree, pick a time when you think it's fair to evaluate the trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Lazy is throwing out a stat like .900 OPS against and saying that makes a bad trade. I know you didn't like that trade. You didn't like it from the beginning. You've never cared for Foltynewicz or Ruiz. You liked Gattis. I get it. But you're acting like Foltynewicz is the first pitcher to struggle in his first big league starts, or that Ruiz is the first prospect to struggle with his first taste of AA pitching. In 1988, were you upset by the Doyle Alexander trade after John Smoltz stunk up the joint in his first 12 starts? You have to let these things breathe. That's the thing that folks aren't considering. It's way too early to consider this a bad deal. Also it would be a bad thing if Folty had been awful every time he stepped on the mound but that's not the case. He has proven he can pitch successfully at the major league level. He just needs to learn to do it on a consistent basic and that will come with time.Mike Foltynewicz - 11 GS, 64 IP, 79 H, 42 R, 38 ER, 14 HR, 20 BB, 56 SO, 5.34 ERA, 1.547 WHIPJohn Smoltz - 12 GS, 64 IP, 74 H, 40 R, 39 ER, 10 HR, 33 BB, 37 SO, 5.48 ERA, 1.672 WHIP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malachore Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 It's good to see guys like that get to play and have some success. It's feel good stories.I'd rather not have to watch it. I'd rather see actual productive players out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 That's really got to take its toll on a pitcher mentally.Weren't you the one who railed me for defending Shelby for letting a game get away from him just one time, when I said he is pressing because always feeling like he has to throw a shutout takes it's toll on him?Be consistent man.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Weren't you the one who railed me for defending Shelby for letting a game get away from him just one time, when I said he is pressing because always feeling like he has to throw a shutout takes it's toll on him?Be consistent man....That was like 2 months ago before it became a now 14 straight starts without a win dude. I didn't feel like it had reached that point yet but now I feel like it has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I'd rather not have to watch it. I'd rather see actual productive players out there.Of course none of us do but in a season like this one it's actually something positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknøwn Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Im still not sure why we keep calling Kelly up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I'd rather not have to watch it. I'd rather see actual productive players out there.This reminds me of a time after Ted Turner took over as owner. The Braves were playing really bad (no surprise). One particular game they really stunk it up, when Ted went up to the PA announcers booth just as the game ended and apologized for the pathetic product on the field and told everyone to come back tomorrow night free of charge, as well as get a refund for this game. If we had ownership with a heart, they should be offering something like this now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 That was like 2 months ago before it became a now 14 straight starts without a win dude. I didn't feel like it had reached that point yet but now I feel like it has.I knew right then it had already gotten there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 A .900 OPS against isn't an out of nowhere stat and you know it. If Folty were a marginal minor league player called up to the bigs for emergency starts, everyone would be SCREAMING to get him off the team. It's why I posted the stats of other pitchers who were (relatively) harder to hit. Prospect status only goes so far. Everything you say about my impressions of each player is true, and it's magnified by knowing that Gattis was the best player we had outside of Freeman for scoring on his own, something we've sorely missed. That doesn't change the fact that if the Braves were offered the same prospects right now for the same player, they'd scoff at it. If you disagree, pick a time when you think it's fair to evaluate the trade.I'm sure some fans are screaming for him to be off the team. It doesn't matter. The Braves need to see if they can harness what Foltynewicz brings and get him to being a productive major league player. This is the time to do it because the season is already lost. If he can't, I'd like to find out now before, hopefully, we're playing meaningful games next season. So that .900 OPS stat doesn't mean a heck of a lot, especially in isolation. If I cherry-picked some stat to try to prove a shaky proposition, you'd call me out on it, and rightfully so. "The Gattis trade was a disaster because Foltynewicz has a .900 OPS against in 11 starts" is so flimsy it's borderline nonsensical. And I have no idea what Hart would or wouldn't take the same batch of prospects right now because there's way too many variables to consider.As for when it's fair to evaluate a trade, it depends... likely when Gattis and the three players the Braves acquired finish their terms with their current organizations. This was a trade designed to improve the club in the long-term, so it needs to be evaluated in the long term. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usmcdirtybird Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 This reminds me of a time after Ted Turner took over as owner. The Braves were playing really bad (no surprise). One particular game they really stunk it up, when Ted went up to the PA announcers booth just as the game ended and apologized for the pathetic product on the field and told everyone to come back tomorrow night free of charge, as well as get a refund for this game.If we had ownership with a heart, they should be offering something like this now.Any business will not do that now. From fast food being slow to bad product. They will always use the promise of next time. The Braves have to attack Free agency or trades this offseason to show progress. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 Braves line-up:1. Markakis RF2. EPerez CF3. Gomes LF4. Johnson 1B5. Garcia 3B6. Peterson 2B7. Lavarnway C8. Castro SS9. WPerez P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Braves line-up:1. Markakis RF2. EPerez CF3. Gomes LF4. Johnson 1B5. Garcia 3B6. Peterson 2B7. Lavarnway C8. Castro SS9. WPerez PWHAT THE **** IS THIS!?!?!?!?!?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 WHAT THE **** IS THIS!?!?!?!?!?!?It's youuurrrrrrr... Atlanta Braves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknøwn Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Gomes is 7 for 10 lifetime against Bumgarner so Fredi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Gomes is 7 for 10 lifetime against Bumgarner so FrediBumgarner is pitching? No need to even turn it on tonight. Against that pathetic lineup it's an automatic complete game shutout. I just pray it's not a no-hitter or perfect game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknøwn Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Simmons taking fielding practice but still not allowed to pick up a bat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 WHAT THE **** IS THIS!?!?!?!?!?!?It is all that is left after the trade and injury carnage... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 You know you've got a sad team and offense when you've got to run Jonny Gomes and Chris Johnson out there as your 3 & 4 hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 I really like this Daniel Castro kid. He might have a future in the majors as a super backup infielder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Well goodnight everybody! Got it over early tonight. Time to find something else to do. It's seasons like tonight where I miss Skip and Pete so much. They always made the games entertaining even when the Braves sucked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 The Bad News Braves!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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