jidady Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Nah. Isn't ff567 supposed to be the overreacting one?I was re-watching the game when I posted that. Three of those homers were cheap, but MLB hitters square up far too easily on Folty. Combined with Ruiz being a conscientious objector to violence against baseballs, a soon-to-be 24-year-old in A-ball is the best piece we have thus far. We had a solid asset and what we got back hasn't offered anything of value in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 We knew we wouldn't win all of these trades, but Gattis for Folty, Ruiz, and Thurman is looking like a disaster.I'm not going to cry over losing a .247 batting average and a .277 OBP... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I'm not going to cry over losing a .247 batting average and a .277 OBP...We had a solid asset. We traded it for assets that are of far less value. It's lousy economics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 We had a solid asset. We traded it for assets that are of far less value. It's lousy economics.You're evaluating the trade way prematurely. You may as well say we lost the Justin Upton trade because he's been better than Jace Peterson. Foltynewicz has just as much potential as when we traded for him, Ruiz is still young for his level, and Thurman looks like he could rise quickly. Meanwhile Gattis has on OPS+ below 100 and still doesn't play a position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Literally the only thing Gattis has done well since being traded is hit for power (and surprisingly quite a few triples). The rest of his numbers are abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 Braves lineup: 1. Markakis RF2. Perez LF3. Pierzynski C4. C Johnson 1B5. Maybin CF6. Peterson 2B7. Garcia 3B8. Castro SS9. Miller P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 You're evaluating the trade way prematurely.Here's what I'll say. If you ask the Braves privately if they wish they'd taken one of the other offers instead of Houston's, there's no doubt in my mind they universally answer yes. It's not even close to in dispute.With regards to when it's specifically okay to examine the trade, everything is relative in life and gets evaluated based on changing circumstances. Right now, we gave away a power hitter who'd done well for a hitter with an OPS under .600, a pitcher ALLOWING an OPS of .906, and Thurman, who's fine, maybe even great, for what he is. Folty's career OPS is against is up to .897 after 85 innings. For his career to date, he makes every hitter Adrian Gonzalez. Cahill and Stults were at .836 and .843 when we ditched them. That's a scary statement right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 BTW, if you didn't catch it, there was a lovely tribute to Skip Caray at the start of the 5th (?) inning on the seventh anniversary of his death. Chip pointed out something I hadn't realized. Skip died on August 3rd, and Pete died on August 2nd. So, those are tough days for everybody in their families. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 We've won two in a row without you watching. Keep up the good work!What about the 12-2 beat down on Saturday? Also I did watch finally turn it on when it was 6-4 in the 7th inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Here's what I'll say. If you ask the Braves privately if they wish they'd taken one of the other offers instead of Houston's, there's no doubt in my mind they universally answer yes. It's not even close to in dispute.With regards to when it's specifically okay to examine the trade, everything is relative in life and gets evaluated based on changing circumstances. Right now, we gave away a power hitter who'd done well for a hitter with an OPS under .600, a pitcher ALLOWING an OPS of .906, and Thurman, who's fine, maybe even great, for what he is. Folty's career OPS is against is up to .897 after 85 innings. For his career to date, he makes every hitter Adrian Gonzalez. Cahill and Stults were at .836 and .843 when we ditched them. That's a scary statement right there.How can you say that when you don't even know what the other offers were? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 BTW, if you didn't catch it, there was a lovely tribute to Skip Caray at the start of the 5th (?) inning on the seventh anniversary of his death. Chip pointed out something I hadn't realized. Skip died on August 3rd, and Pete died on August 2nd. So, those are tough days for everybody in their families.They are truly missed. I especially miss Ernie Johnson. He had a way of describing the action as if you were a young boy and he was your grandpa taking you to the game and telling you what was happening.Pete, Skip, and Ernie.... just rolls off the tongue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I'm not going to cry over losing a .247 batting average and a .277 OBP...Yes, ridiculous to cry over a 1 tool player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Happy times! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 Here's what I'll say. If you ask the Braves privately if they wish they'd taken one of the other offers instead of Houston's, there's no doubt in my mind they universally answer yes. It's not even close to in dispute.If you know what other offers were on the table you need to spill. You are correct that it is "not even close to in dispute" only in that we have no knowledge of what there would be to argue about. Otherwise, I will simply call this out as a clumsy way to end the discussion that you started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 They are truly missed. I especially miss Ernie Johnson. He had a way of describing the action as if you were a young boy and he was your grandpa taking you to the game and telling you what was happening.Pete, Skip, and Ernie.... just rolls off the tongue.Those 3 and John Sterling was the crew I grew up with. Billy Sample did well for a couple of years but when Sutton took over for him, that's the best 4 in the business in my book... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Those 3 and John Sterling was the crew I grew up with. Billy Sample did well for a couple of years but when Sutton took over for him, that's the best 4 in the business in my book...I remember a little bit later after Ernie very rarely did games anymore and they had Joe who came on board in 92. Joe actually used to be pretty good. But he's gotten stupid in his old age. I remember in those days they would switch from tv to radio in the middle of the 5th inning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Positive Thinker Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Those 3 and John Sterling was the crew I grew up with. Billy Sample did well for a couple of years but when Sutton took over for him, that's the best 4 in the business in my book...A lot of people forget about Sterling. He was also the Hawks announcer just before Holman took over. I actually grew up with Milo Hamilton and Ernie Johnson. I never liked Milo after he grabbed the mike from Ernie to call Aaron's 715 th homer. That was supposed to be Ernie's call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 If you know what other offers were on the table you need to spill.At this point, we have a pitcher who can't pitcher, a hitter who can't hit, and an old guy for A ball. It's okay to be honest when the trades don't go right. I'm not ruling anybody out long term, but you're kidding yourself if you think the Braves are happy with the results thus far.A .900 OPS allowed. That's a real stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I wonder if the lack of run support is getting to Shelby the way that it did with Santana last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I wonder if the lack of run support is getting to Shelby the way that it did with Santana last year.It's getting to me if that counts for anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I don't know how Pence dropped that. He made a terrific catch and then his momentum seemed to knock the ball out sans any contact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Great hustle by Castro! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknøwn Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 The Giants may acquire AJ before they leave towm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 He's figured out that the quickest way off the team is a hitting streak. Let's see if CJ can suss it out, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknøwn Posted August 5, 2015 Share Posted August 5, 2015 Braves twitter announced Red Lightning is at the game. Too bad hes not the ball boy for the night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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