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Final deal:

To Dodgers: LHP Alex Wood, LHP Mat Latos, 1B/OF Micheal Morse, LHP Luis Avilan, RHP Jim Johnson, IF/CF Jose Peraza, RHP Bronson Arroyo

To Braves: IF Hector Olivera, LHP Paco Rodriguez, RHP Zach Bird, compensation pick #38

To Marlins: RHP John Brigham, RHP Kevin Guzman, RHP Victor Araujo

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That's possible, K26, but it's also conceivable that the Braves squeezed another $12 million out of them. That's what the remainder of what we owe Arroyo this year and his $11 million next year would be.

If we could get rid of CJ, we'd have the following for 2016:

$11 million for Markakis

$12.4 million for Freeman

$8.1 million for Maybin

$6.1 million for Simmons

$3.5 million for Grilli

$3.5 million for Julio

That's $43.6 million and possibly some money for Minor and $7.5 million for CJ if we're stuck with him. Otherwise, we've got a clean slate. We now just got Touki for free a month after the fact. This isn't just baseball genius. It's also sublime accounting.

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Not sure how we rationalize trading our #2 starter and top prospect for a 30 year old.

Seems like a **** deal even if it was about money.

Yea I'm not going to play along anymore, this is getting ridiculous, this is not a rebuild this is a liquidation with the hopes that we can somehow be competitive by 2017. As a fan why bother watching this liquidation? Teams quite often remain competitive while also trying to grow their farm system and retain young talent. We are simply trying are hardest to avoid paying anyone in the hope maybe we can be good in a few years. As a fan that is not an option. Wake me up when the team is actually trying to build something that is reasonably competitive.

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I legitimately don't understand your argument. We just shipped off a guy who isn't arb-eligible and one who isn't in the majors yet for one who costs $6 million a year. How is that avoiding paying anyone? The fact that we stuck LA with the bill on Arroyo (aka Touki) is a happy bonus.

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Yea I'm not going to play along anymore, this is getting ridiculous, this is not a rebuild this is a liquidation with the hopes that we can somehow be competitive by 2017. As a fan why bother watching this liquidation? Teams quite often remain competitive while also trying to grow their farm system and retain young talent. We are simply trying are hardest to avoid paying anyone in the hope maybe we can be good in a few years. As a fan that is not an option. Wake me up when the team is actually trying to build something that is reasonably competitive.

And what if they feel they have better options beyond this season? Doesn't that count? While Wood is a solid pitcher, I'm guessing they love what they see from Banuelos, Perez, Wisler and Tyrell Jenkins will most likely join the rotation next season if not sooner. That doesn't even account for Tehran, Miller, Folty, Minor, etc...

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Yea I'm not going to play along anymore, this is getting ridiculous, this is not a rebuild this is a liquidation with the hopes that we can somehow be competitive by 2017. As a fan why bother watching this liquidation? Teams quite often remain competitive while also trying to grow their farm system and retain young talent. We are simply trying are hardest to avoid paying anyone in the hope maybe we can be good in a few years. As a fan that is not an option. Wake me up when the team is actually trying to build something that is reasonably competitive.

I totally disagree. I am so excited about the way the front office has handled everything this season. Our entire franchise was crippled. We were not going to compete this year or next with the team we had. The last few years have been miserable to watch imo with BJ Upton, Chris Johnson, Dan Uggla, Jason Heyward etc. underacheiving and striking out at historic levels. Our farm system was devastated and we had almost no viable prospects. It is amazing to me how quickly our farm system has turned around. I have actually never seen anything like it in one season. It has taken Houston decades to accomplish what we have done this year. Now with the surplus of prospects and no payroll to speak of we can actively pursue players that we want even with a budget much lower than some teams. Instead of toiling around as an average team on the verge of making or missing the playoffs for the next decade they decided to burn the ************* down completely and start anew. I am beyond stoked for the Braves future.

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And what if they feel they have better options beyond this season? Doesn't that count? While Wood is a solid pitcher, I'm guessing they love what they see from Banuelos, Perez, Wisler and Tyrell Jenkins will most likely join the rotation next season if not sooner. That doesn't even account for Tehran, Miller, Folty, Minor, etc...

Beyond this season is a complete crapshoot they don;t know who exactly is going to be available or exactly how all these prospects are going to pan out long term. From what we have seen lately as soon as any of these prospects start doing good we are just going to trade them anyways. I do not trust this FO to keep any players that turn out to be good. They seem allergic to giving young players reasonable contracts to stay here. When does this shuffling end? When do we start to hang onto young players that actually perform and reward them with contracts they deserve?

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I don't know if I were the GM I would have made this trade. However, I don't have access to the scouting report of the incoming players nor do I have knowledge of the Braves big picture with the next trades.

I'm not going to diminish everything Hart and his scouts have done. At this point I trust the scouts evaluations and Hart& staff decision making. I'm excited about the future....just not this season.

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Basically, we're punting this season, and possibly next season, to be in a financially more flexible state in 2017. Every move we're making is pointing to 2017. In this case, Wood's arbitration kicks in and he'll start off in the ballpark with Olivera's salary and then likely surpass it in 2018 and 2019. We're dealing from the one area of depth that we have to fill a hole on offense that will hopefully pan out and gain financial flexibility. If you're expecting anything else from this team this year or even next, you're going to be disappointed. The front office has put the blinders on folks.

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I don't care if Olivera turns out to be Hank Aaron you don't trade a proven #2 starter, who's only 24 (arbitration be damnned!) , a top 30 prospect who was routinely touted as your franchise's top prospect for a 30 year old player who has never played a single MLB game! There is no justification for this trade. The money part doesn't even matter. Wood and Peraza straight up for Olivera is a terrible trade. There is no positive spin here! No, the money does not justify it because of Olivera's age.

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Basically, we're punting this season, and possibly next season, to be in a financially more flexible state in 2017. Every move we're making is pointing to 2017. In this case, Wood's arbitration kicks in and he'll start off in the ballpark with Olivera's salary and then likely surpass it in 2018 and 2019. We're dealing from the one area of depth that we have to fill a hole on offense that will hopefully pan out and gain financial flexibility. If you're expecting anything else from this team this year or even next, you're going to be disappointed. The front office has put the blinders on folks.

Then why trade a 24 year old proven starter for a 30 year old that's never played an MLB game? That is a WIN NOW move and totally goes against all the WIN FUTURE moves Hart has made.

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I don't care if Olivera turns out to be Hank Aaron you don't trade a proven #2 starter, who's only 24 (arbitration be damnned!) , a top 30 prospect who was routinely touted as your franchise's top prospect for a 30 year old player who has never played a single MLB game! There is no justification for this trade. The money part doesn't even matter. Wood and Peraza straight up for Olivera is a terrible trade. There is no positive spin here! No, the money does not justify it because of Olivera's age.

a proven #2 starter? Reaching counselor, reaching...

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Then why trade a 24 year old proven starter for a 30 year old that's never played an MLB game? That is a WIN NOW move and totally goes against all the WIN FUTURE moves Hart has made.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not fan of this trade and understand what you're saying. I'd much rather have Wood, but this is called a business decision. Spend money now to save money later. The only plus I've found to getting Olivera is that he should be an instant upgrade at 2B or 3B.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/80

http://espn.go.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/batting/split/81

And our OF isn't much better....

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Not that I want to respond to you, because what's the point, but I really think with some good free agent acquisitions, which we are set up to do now, the team is going to try and be competitive next year. I think Wood with his funky mechanics and declining velocity was a placeholder, and they had Peraza evaluated nowhere near as highly as others did. I think Jace's playing time and Maybin's re-emergence, combined with Wisler and Miller really showing out has got the Braves front office thinking more 2016 instead of just 2017. Sprinkle in a high dollar bat and some other role playing pieces, and there is no reason why that can't compete next year, especially the way the Nationals seem to go up and down. A third baseman who has pop and is ready to hit now fits that thinking.

It Will also be interesting to see if we turn over one more trade, maybe for a catcher. The rest of this season will be about giving opportunities and playing time to the young guys, to get them ready to produce at the major league level. The addition of a good reliever in the trade also points to this line of thinking, as well as trading our closer.

This is team building. It's brutal sometimes, painful and hard to watch when it is happening, but if it comes together like it should, it will be beautiful to see. The Braves choose to rip the bandaid instead of peeling it slowly, like other franchises do.

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