Knight of God Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ppl are over fixated on coleman speed.Speed isnt everything and it doesn't define if your good or not..You think its just his speed? LOL...I'm fixated on a better RB than Freeman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Tevin Colemanhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/2001839/tevin-colemanDevonta Freemanhttp://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1824135/devonta-freemanI've said this about coleman as soon as we drafted him and ppl still thought i was crazy..I said freeman is a better overall runner yet ppl laughed at me like im crazy.. smh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I can't see it so I can't answer that. I already said that earlier. My mind doesn't work that way. I don't think he will, therefore I can't even give an honest answer.I think you could, but I don't blame anybody who doesn't indulge in hypotheticals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 The most important aspect of the starter will be vision in the OZBS. Freeman has experience with it, so he appears to have a leg up. But they selected Coleman for a reason and it was presumably not to be a backup. If he displays the vision and ability to work better behind our line, he will win the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 I think you could, but I don't blame anybody who doesn't indulge in hypotheticals.In terms of football I never could. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 You think its just his speed? LOL...I'm fixated on a better RB than Freeman.his speed is his greatest attribute right now.. His vision and patience has always been questioned, im sorry but vision and patience is FAR more important then speed. Everyone in the NFL is fast, so he needs to work on some of thoes things if he expects to make an impact. If your looking for a better RB then freeman then your not going to find a lot.Freeman is a complete back, thanks to FSU, he knows jow to pass block, catch outlet passes, he has patience reading holes and has pretty good vision.Overall i like freeman better as a runner, im not being biase at all. Just the truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFalcoholic Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Coleman and Antone both provide this breakaway ability but it's not always what the game plan calls for. In the early years of Mike Smith we would control the clock with the running game and keep the opposing offense off the field. It's good to have the big play but I think time of possession can dictate the outcome of the game more so than one big scoring play. If the defense is the weakness of this team then controlling the ball will take the pressure off of them somewhatWhich is why I'm hoping Quinn fixes the defense quickly. Then we won't need to control the ball as much as we have needed to the past few seasons. Ball control is always important but if you have a decent defense it takes the pressure off the offense to sustain long drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 The most important aspect of the starter will be vision in the OZBS. Freeman has experience with it, so he appears to have a leg up. But they selected Coleman for a reason and it was presumably not to be a backup. If he displays the vision and ability to work better behind our line, he will win the job.or maybe they drafted him to be a 1-2 punch to freeman. Theh could of drafted him for the sake that they dnt want to run freeman into the ground. I dnt bilieve they drafted coleman cause they dnt think freeman can get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 his speed is his greatest attribute right now.. His vision and patience has always been questioned, im sorry but vision and patience is FAR more important then speed.Everyone in the NFL is fast, so he needs to work on some of thoes things if he expects to make an impact. If your looking for a better RB then freeman then your not going to find a lot.Freeman is a complete back, thanks to FSU, he knows jow to pass block, catch outlet passes, he has patience reading holes and has pretty good vision.Overall i like freeman better as a runner, im not being biase at all. Just the truthJust because he didn't do a whole lot of ballerina dancing and isn't slow doesn't mean he has poor vision. The REASON his vision is in question is because he ran in a system that so called didn't need a lot of vision. He was in the ZBS. Freeman just jumps around a lot and is known for looking for the big play. That isn't patience, that's hubris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 or maybe they drafted him to be a 1-2 punch to freeman.Theh could of drafted him for the sake that they dnt want to run freeman into the ground. I dnt bilieve they drafted coleman cause they dnt think freeman can get the job done.Need a better option for the second punch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wjcorner Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Gonna be a lot of people angry when they finally choose the starter for week 1, both ways lol. Of course since Coleman is the new guy I want him to ball out, and I've loved his confidence this year *kid was the only rookie who said he should be a 92 in Madden lol*I like Freeman, I'm kinda like KOG where I don't see his big time attribute though...he's not top 5 strongest, fastest, catching, etc...he's pretty good at all those things though so maybe that will be enough to work for him. I don't know, I miss old school Turner dragging LBs on his back for x amount of yards, or Jerious Norwood cutting at 60 degree angles without losing any speed...guys who you know bring something to the table that only 3 or 4 other guys in the league can even attempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 The only reason that anybody should be upset is if one or the other starts and chugs his way to 3.5 yards per carry while the other only gets the ball five times per game. I say give it to the best man on any given day, starter or nah. If Coleman has a dog effort and Freeman is running well, give it to Freeman in the second half. We need to get past designations and focus on performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Francis Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Whomever it is....just score TDs.Agreed. Enough of the FG attempts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2015tcoleman.php - Coleman didn't get a lot of receiving and blocking opportunities at Indiana, so he will need some development there for NFL passing offenses. He also needs to improve his patience as he looks to go the distance with every carry. While Coleman has some strength, against bigger NFL defenders he probably won't be a big yards-after-the-carry runner who powers through tacklers. Coleman is more an explosive speed back for the next level. http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/2014/11/scouting-report-tevin-coleman-rb.html - I question his vision and patient as well. He needs to learn to let plays develop rather than running as hard and as fast as he can into the teeth of the defense in addition to this, his durability and stamina is also in question. He was the featured runner at Indiana but also shared a lot of the load, and he has the sickle cell trait which could impact his ability to take the lion's share of the workload at the pro levelYou can find plenty of negatives about any player coming into the draft by so-called experts......I can find you some on Beasley if you wish......even IMO best player in draft Leonard Williams had plenty of negative commentary.....it's what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Ppl are over fixated on coleman speed.Speed isnt everything and it doesn't define if your good or not..He's got good size as well as great speed. He also has shown he can make something out of nothing behind a mediocre OL in college......see falcons OL...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Just because he didn't do a whole lot of ballerina dancing and isn't slow doesn't mean he has poor vision. The REASON his vision is in question is because he ran in a system that so called didn't need a lot of vision. He was in the ZBS. Freeman just jumps around a lot and is known for looking for the big play. That isn't patience, that's hubris.what logic is that? Every system for a RB involves vision.. he ran a zbs which means you gotta have use of aome vision.. the guys who are great at reading holes would find thoes backside holes that coleman refused to look for cause he was looking to take it home instead of being patient and letting the hole open for jim.I like him, but he isnt stater material right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Negatorris Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Freeman is more versatile than Coleman, but Coleman has all the potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Gonna be a lot of people angry when they finally choose the starter for week 1, both ways lol. Of course since Coleman is the new guy I want him to ball out, and I've loved his confidence this year *kid was the only rookie who said he should be a 92 in Madden lol*I like Freeman, I'm kinda like KOG where I don't see his big time attribute though...he's not top 5 strongest, fastest, catching, etc...he's pretty good at all those things though so maybe that will be enough to work for him. I don't know, I miss old school Turner dragging LBs on his back for x amount of yards, or Jerious Norwood cutting at 60 degree angles without losing any speed...guys who you know bring something to the table that only 3 or 4 other guys in the league can even attempt.emmit smith wasnt the tallest or fastest or quickest yet still one of the best RBs of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 emmit smith wasnt the tallest or fastest or quickest yet still one of the best RBs of all time.That's a great point. We shall see, won't we. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 He's got good size as well as great speed. He also has shown he can make something out of nothing behind a mediocre OL in college......see falcons OL......ppl are talking trash about coleman ol but his line helped him garner 2000 yds.. you cnt have it both ways yall.His OL wasnt as bad as a lot of ppl WANT them to be.That's a great point. We shall see, won't we.yes we shall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 ppl are talking trash about coleman ol but his line helped him garner 2000 yds.. you cnt have it both ways yall.His OL wasnt as bad as a lot of ppl WANT them to be.yes we shallIf I remember right, the OL was very young. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Vaughan McClure's very timely article on this very subject:Atlanta Falcons position preview: Running backsVaughn McClure, ESPN Staff Writer The Atlanta Falcons begin training camp July 31 at their home facility in Flowery Branch, Georgia. Leading up to the start of camp, we'll take a look at the team, position by position. We started with the quarterbacks and now move on to the running backs. Running backs The cast: Devonta Freeman (2nd season), Tevin Coleman (1st season), Antone Smith (6th season), Jerome Smith (2nd season), Terron Ward (1st season), Patrick DiMarco (fullback, 4th season), Collin Mooney (fullback, 3rd season) 2015 cap numbers: Antone Smith ($1.4 million), DiMarco ($697,500), Freeman ($631,106), Coleman ($621,311), Mooney ($510,000), Jerome Smith ($435,000), Ward ($435,000) The coach: Bobby Turner (1st season with team) Devonta Freeman showed flashes as a rookie last season, averaging nearly five yards per touch. AP Photo/Tim IrelandKey number: Last season, the Falcons ranked 24th in the league in rushing yards per game (93.6 YPG) and ranked 21st in rushing yards per play (4.03 YPP). For starters: It's too early to declare a winner, but Freeman carries the lead at running back heading into training camp. He impressed coach Dan Quinn as well as offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan with his ability to catch the ball out the backfield. In fact, Shanahan said Freeman has a chance to really excel in both the run and pass game. Freeman showed flashes of his unique ability last season as a rookie when he gained 473 all-purpose yards on 95 touches. If he can become a consistent blocker in pass protection, Freeman should be just fine. He definitely has the drive inside of him and has the long-term goal of being in the MVP conversation one day. For now, the Falcons would be content with Freeman being the team's most valuable running back. Backup plan: When Coleman was drafted in the third round out of Indiana, he immediately declared himself a contender for the starting job. When a guy runs for more than 2,000 yards in college against competition that included the national champion Ohio State Buckeyes, there's reason for him to be confident. Coleman easily could have been drafted higher, but he knows some teams were scared away by both his broken toe and his carrying of the sickel cell trait. Regardless, folks around the league are well aware of his big-play ability. Coleman had 25 runs of 40-plus yards last season, including a 90-yard touchdown against Ohio State. Shanahan's outside zone-blocking scheme, which encourages running backs to have a one-cut-and-go mentality, should fit Coleman well, but it should work for Freeman as well. The scheme will make the competition between the two playmakers that much more exciting. And while we're on the subject of big plays, let's not forget about Antone Smith. The Falcons have to find a way to utilize a guy who averaged 51 yards on five scoring plays last season before breaking his leg. Battle at fullback: There's an ongoing battle at fullback between the incumbent, DiMarco, and the newcomer, Mooney. It's highly doubtful the Falcons will keep both players, although both bring special-teams value. Special-teams coordinator Keith Armstrong has raved about DiMarco's ability in the past. However, Mooney is a guy targeted by the new regime under Quinn, so change could be in the works. http://espn.go.com/blog/atlanta-falcons/post/_/id/14261/atlanta-falcons-position-preview-running-backs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Madman, his vision wasn't terrible. You are right, but note what I said. His vision was in question because he ran in a ZBS...lol. Look it up man. Its a real thing. Also his line was considered one of the worst last year. Watching even highlights will show you that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsfan4life3 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 People on here are underrating Coleman like crazy. I was praying for this guy in the 2nd and we got him in the 3rd. You don't run for 2000+ yards(4th fastest to 2000 in college history) just by speed. His vision looks pretty good to me on film for those on here questioning it. Freeman just doesn't jump out to me...he's small and he's not a guy that will ever break a big run. I think he can be a solid #2. Coleman if he stays healthy will be a top 5 back in this league sooner rather than later. Mark that down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madman88 Posted July 21, 2015 Share Posted July 21, 2015 Madman, his vision wasn't terrible. You are right, but note what I said. His vision was in question because he ran in a ZBS...lol. Look it up man. Its a real thing. Also his line was considered one of the worst last year. Watching even highlights will show you that much.ok. Well one of the worse lines helped pave a 2000yd runner.. RBs cnt do it on their own. But its cool. I kno its a real thing, all im saying is vision is a important trait in a RB, thats all. I got you tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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