Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 In recent history Manning was in the SB two years ago. Luck never has been. If you're talking future you shouldn't call him elite, you should say you're projecting him to be elite one day.And by your criteria shouldn't Wilson be Elite? He's been in two SB's and won one in recent history.Different circumstance for Wilson.... An no I firmly believe Luck has reached elite status. He has the stats,playoff victories,and all around status to be considered elite. Personally I think Big Ben surpassed Manning last season he (Peyton) just seems to have fallen off a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySG Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I would take Luck over Peyton on a one-year deal every day of the week. If I had to choose "elite" quarterbacks then it would be Rodgers and Brady at the moment, with Luck just behind them. Peyton and Brees have both declined a decent amount, in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 I personally look at it like this....Last season Manning had all the tools necessary to be at another SB. He had a great defense,awesome talent,decent coaching,etc. but he couldn't get it done. As for Luck he had an average defense,decent offensive talent,and good coaching. Now if you really want my Cold Hard Truth of an opinion as to how I think the QBs shook out last season it looks like this....1.Tom Brady2.Aaron Rodgers3.Andrew Luck4.Drew Brees5.Ben Roethlisburger6.Peyton Manning7.Tony Romo8.Joe Flacco9.Matt Ryan10.Russell Wilson11.Matthews Stafford12.Phillip Rivers13.Ryan Tannehill14.Cam Newton15.Andy Dalton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Manning' numbers in the Divisional round against IND?Nope.https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueLuck's AFCCG numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Nope.https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueLuck's AFCCG numbers? Peyton Mannings SB numbers against Seattle? I mean cmon Willy Mo I can grab multiple games of both QB having awful days but it still don't change my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Peyton Mannings SB numbers against Seattle? I mean cmon Willy Mo I can grab multiple games of both QB having awful days but it still don't change my opinion.That game was the sole biggest of Luck's career so far.So...Nope.https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueLuck's AFCCG numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 That game was the sole biggest of Luck's career so far.So...But Manning snagging his 2nd title isn't huge? I mean sure he got one against Rex dam Grossman but really Willy? You're gonna argue that Luck is worse because of 1 game? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 But Manning snagging his 2nd title isn't huge? I mean sure he got one against Rex dam Grossman but really Willy? You're gonna argue that Luck is worse because of 1 game?Manning is not relevant to Luck's AFCCG numbers.Please respond Nope.https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoqueLuck's AFCCG numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Manning is not relevant to Luck's AFCCG numbers.Please respond Nah I know what Luck did in that game is was exceptionally pissy. But Willy you're gonna say Luck is a worse QB than Manning because of 1 bad game against the future SB winners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Nah I know what Luck did in that game is was exceptionally pissy. But Willy you're gonna say Luck is a worse QB than Manning because of 1 bad game against the future SB winners?Did Luck play terrible in the biggest game of his career? Yes, or no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Did Luck play terrible in the biggest game of his career? Yes, or no? Yes, not denying it but to say he's worse than Manning cause of it is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Yes, not denying it but to say he's worse than Manning cause of it is silly.Manning has a SB ring, and has been to one of the last two SBs.Are you saying Manning is worse than Luck because of one game in the second round, while he was injured no less? Remember: But Willy you're gonna say Luck is a worse QB than Manning because of 1 bad gamePlease apply no biases in your assessments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Also just for funning let me give you a glimpse as to just how incredible Luck is....Luck numbers in his 1st 3 season where...58.7 completion %,13,907 total yards,98 total TDs,86.6 QBR,and 56 total turnoversWhile Manning's in his 1st 3 season where...60.3 completion %,12,287 total yards,88 total TDs,85.6 QBR,and 64 total turnoversEdit: and before anyone yanks my chain about TOTAL YARDAGE feel free to take off 905 yards rushing by Luck to make Manning look slightly better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Manning has a SB ring, and has been to one of the last two SBs.Are you saying Manning is worse than Luck because of one game in the second round, while he was injured no less? Remember:Please apply no biases in your assessments. No of course not I just think Luck has more to offer at this point in their careers than Peyton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 No of course not I just think Luck has more to offer at this point in their careers than Peyton.Not relevant. Explain:Sure he can pad the stats but he just can't get it done when it matters Manning' numbers in the Divisional round against IND? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 Not relevant. Explain:Quite simple Luck has shown he knows how to win in the playoffs at at least a 50% rate while Manning.... Not so much. He is on that decline stage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willy Mo Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Quite simple Luck has shown he knows how to win in the playoffs at at least a 50% rate while Manning.... Not so much. He is on that decline stageYet:Luck played terrible in his biggest game.Manning has won one SB, and been to three.He has proven to be a winner.Luck has not.And based on your criteria here:Nah I know what Luck did in that game is was exceptionally pissy. But Willy you're gonna say Luck is a worse QB than Manning because of 1 bad game against the future SB winners?Manning's recent losses are excusable, seeing as:1) He was injured in one of them2) The Seahawks were a juggernaut, and seeing as you mentioned Luck played bad against the "future SB winners", this would surely be taken into account, yes?3) He has already proven he knows how to win a SB."One bad game" does not dismiss Manning as less of a guy to depend on than Luck. Your own criteria argues this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonFalcon Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 i missed what he said about Tuggle...he started out alright (after that)...but then my brain started to hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Yeah I gotta say, after that first line I didn't even care to read the rest. Really poor show man.Did something get edited out? I must've missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Different circumstance for Wilson.... An no I firmly believe Luck has reached elite status. He has the stats,playoff victories,and all around status to be considered elite. Personally I think Big Ben surpassed Manning last season he (Peyton) just seems to have fallen off a little.If you're actually taking circumstances and the rest of the team into consideration, you should never list SB's, or even wins, as a QB stat. It's a, well, logical fallacy, as Mo put it. Did something get edited out? I must've missed it.Apparently so. It's for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 (edited) Also just for funning let me give you a glimpse as to just how incredible Luck is....Luck numbers in his 1st 3 season where...58.7 completion %,13,907 total yards,98 total TDs,86.6 QBR,and 56 total turnoversWhile Manning's in his 1st 3 season where...60.3 completion %,12,287 total yards,88 total TDs,85.6 QBR,and 64 total turnoversEdit: and before anyone yanks my chain about TOTAL YARDAGE feel free to take off 905 yards rushing by Luck to make Manning look slightly better.People always forget to consider the times are changing in the nfl. Franchise marks are being set across the board with qb passing numbers. Now, I'm not saying that Luck is nothing special, but you've gotta keep things in context. That team flings the ball at a high rate. Of course his numbers are going to be that high. Frankly those numbers actually aren't even that impressive to me. The td/int ratio is not great nor is the completion percentage. Based on those stats he's pretty much shown that he's producing more quantity than quality. Edited July 14, 2015 by Atlfanstckndenver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadMoonRising Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Luck has performed well with a shaky O-line. VERY wellHe's 3-3 in the postseason, with the defense surrendering a combined 88 points in 2 of those losses. Their defense has failed them miserably the last 2 years in the playoffs3-3 ain't bad at all considering thatSounds very similar to all the reasoning Ryan gets as pass by a few, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtybird#11 Posted July 14, 2015 Author Share Posted July 14, 2015 I deleted the Tuggle comments because those things where taking away from what I want in this thread. Critical Falcons football discussion. If you are reading to see those comments then by all means leave this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest facelessman07 Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 Sounds very similar to all the reasoning Ryan gets as pass by a few, to be honest.Their numbers are very different. Very Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted July 14, 2015 Share Posted July 14, 2015 I deleted the Tuggle comments because those things where taking away from what I want in this thread. Critical Falcons football discussion. If you are reading to see those comments then by all means leave this thread.Then you shouldn't have added them in the first place. You're no victim here. Only an fool would think that having that as your opening part of your post would not then lead to its discussion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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