Julio Jones: Most Dangerous Player In The Nfl?

[Des-pool]

http://247sports.com/Bolt/Atlanta-Falcons-Is-Julio-Jones-NFLs-most-dangerous-player-38151510

In the NFL, there are good players, great players and players that are flat out dangerous. Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers is a good example of a dangerous player because he has the ability to score at will. Ndamukung Suh is another example as he causes a ton of havoc against offensive linemen, quarterbacks and running backs.

The Falcons have a dangerous player in Julio Jones. He was recently ranked No. 13 on the Top 100 Players of 2015 list, and he is arguably one of the three best receivers in the game.

But is he the most dangerous player in the NFL?

It was a career year for Jones last season. Despite missing one game because of an ankle injury, Jones pulled down 104 receptions for 1,593 yards and six touchdowns. His 104 receptions ranks third on the all-time Falcons single season list, and his 1,593 yards is the most by any Falcons in a season.

The one 2014 game that stood out was Green Bay Packers game as he caught 11 passes for 259 yards and had one touchdown. He almost beat the Packers by himself, and they were a team that were one of the best in the NFC. Also, the Green Bay performance was coming off the heels of the Arizona game where he caught 10 passes for 189 yards and one score.

As good as the 2014 season was for Jones, it was not a surprise because 2013 gave fans a glimpse of what he was capable of.

Jones only played in five games in 2013 because he suffered a foot injury. But in those five games he had receiving yard totals of 76, 182, 115, 108 and 99 yards. He also had reception totals of seven, 11, nine, six and eight. When Jones went down with the injury, he was leading the NFL in receptions and was leading all wide receivers in yards. Jones finished the 2014 season third in receptions, receiving yards and he was second in the league in receiving yards per game (106.2).

Jones has proven that hes a playmaker. Hes fast, has great size and his hands have improved over the years. Hes a mismatch problem for opposing defenders, and if he stays healthy, he will continue to give defenders headaches this season.

But its not just the yards or the catches that Jones has tallied over the last four years that makes him dangerous. Last year, Jones had 76 catches that went for first downs. The only player to have more than him is Antonio Brown of the Pittsburgh Steelers. That shows that hes making plays after the catch, and hes making plays when defenders know hes getting the ball.

When it comes to dangerous players in the NFL, there can be an argument for a number of players including Dez Bryant, Demaryius Thomas, Odell Beckham, Marshawn Lynch, Adrian Peterson and DeMarco Murray. But because Jones means so much to the Falcons offense, and he has only gotten better over the last four seasons, saying that Jones is the most dangerous players in the NFL is not as farfetched as one would think.

(Julio Jones 2014 Highlight Reel)

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=dp9C2g4DI2o

[Des-pool]

Oh, and this wasn't written by the Atlanta Falcons website...lol.

[Rave]

Dez scored 60 more points than Jones this season.

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[Des-pool]

I am not going to argue this thread and I actually like it to be honest!

What's to argue? Dez played on a team where the tight end and running back allowed him single coverage most of the time. Having almost twice as many opportunities somehow makes Des a better receiver because he caught more Tds, yet Julio's 104 receptions don't mean anything.

This season will be telling for Dez, because he doesn't have Murray anymore drawing linebackers and safeties in the box. If he has another 16 td season without a dominant running back the other team has to worry about, I might then give him his props. Until then, Julio won every category for a wide receiver except one last year.

[Rave]

What's to argue? Dez played on a team where the tight end and running back allowed him single coverage most of the time. Having almost twice as many opportunities somehow makes Des a better receiver because he caught more Tds, yet Julio's 104 receptions don't mean anything.

This season will be telling for Dez, because he doesn't have Murray anymore drawing linebackers and safeties in the box. If he has another 16 td season without a dominant running back the other team has to worry about, I might then give him his props. Until then, Julio won every category for a wide receiver except one last year.

Julio had 27 more total targets.

Dez had 16 more redzone targets.

How does that not even out?

Dez converted 48% of his redone targets.

Julio converted 35% of his redzone targets.

This argument is dead.

[Da Bird is Da Word]

Julio had 27 more total targets.

Dez had 16 more redzone targets.

How does that not even out?

Dez converted 48% of his redone targets.

Julio converted 35% of his redzone targets.

This argument is dead.

I respect the factual arguments you bring to the table, but why do you always boil it down to TDs? There's more at work here, like total yards, yards per catch, yards after the catch, average yards per game, receptions, first downs, etc. and all you ever seem to care about is how many TDs they got, and there's a lot that factors into that. Sure that makes Dez the better fantasy receiver but why don't we look at the whole picture?

I'm not really getting into this argument. Dez and Julio's stats are comparable enough that the homer bias is ultimately gonna decide who Falcon and Cowboys fans think is better. I'm more interested in who mutual posters think is the better player. If yall had Julio and we had Dez then Falcon and Cowboys fans would still be having the same debate. :/ So far it looks like Dez and Julio are both gonna have fantastic careers. We'll see if either one of them truly does what it takes to make them the indisputable superior player.

[Des-pool]

He boils it down to TD's because that is the ONLY stat in which Dez was better than Julio. Julio won all the other stats you are talking about. And if you look at a 3 year Played games comparison, Julio wins almost all of those, as well as being the highest rated yards per game of any wide receiver in NFL HISTORY.

[Trouble]

I hate stories like this.

Keep Jones out the news and i would be happy. This kinda stuff only increases his price to Dez level.

[Rave]

I respect the factual arguments you bring to the table, but why do you always boil it down to TDs? There's more at work here, like total yards, yards per catch, yards after the catch, average yards per game, receptions, first downs, etc. and all you ever seem to care about is how many TDs they got, and there's a lot that factors into that. Sure that makes Dez the better fantasy receiver but why don't we look at the whole picture?

I'm not really getting into this argument. Dez and Julio's stats are comparable enough that the homer bias is ultimately gonna decide who Falcon and Cowboys fans think is better. I'm more interested in who mutual posters think is the better player. If yall had Julio and we had Dez then Falcon and Cowboys fans would still be having the same debate. :/ So far it looks like Dez and Julio are both gonna have fantastic careers. We'll see if either one of them truly does what it takes to make them the indisputable superior player.

The reason is, most people want to hone in on Jone's yards and ignore the fact that Atlanta has thrown the second most times in the NFL the last 2 years in a row. So, with that in mind (and Jones' 27 more targets than Dez in 2014) I ignore how many more yards he has than Dez.

[Rave]

He boils it down to TD's because that is the ONLY stat in which Dez was better than Julio. Julio won all the other stats you are talking about. And if you look at a 3 year Played games comparison, Julio wins almost all of those, as well as being the highest rated yards per game of any wide receiver in NFL HISTORY.

Kinda helps when your team passes more than all but one team in the league....

....but dont let facts get in the way of your argument.

Julio had 27 more targets than Dez. Why does this not come up in YOUR 33 to 17 redzone targets?

.....but Im the one trying to curb the argument to Dez' strength.....

.....Riiiiiiiiight.

[Rave]

This is why you pick Julio

Dez Bryant

✔@DezBryant

As much as I love football...on my beautiful babies.. I apologize #cowboynation but I will not be there if no deal #fact

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So Julio is a better player because he takes it up the *** instead of pushing back?

Just because Julio is willing to bend over and take whatever Artie wants to give him does not make him a better player.

It just means that Julio is willing to bend to the will of a BILLIONAIRE telling him what he is worth. The owners make billions off their players and the second one pushes back and tries to earn what he believes he is worth, hes the bad guy.

I guess you never asked for a raise anywhere you worked. If so, I guess when you got told no you just went back to work without a single hint of being disgruntled. Since you want to judge others.

Get the **** off your **** high horse.....and tell Julio that he dribbled on your bottom lip.

[meezy0236]

So Julio is a better player because he takes it up the *** instead of pushing back?

Just because Julio is willing to bend over and take whatever Artie wants to give him does not make him a better player.

It just means that Julio is willing to bend to the will of a BILLIONAIRE telling him what he is worth. The owners make billions off their players and the second one pushes back and tries to earn what he believes he is worth, hes the bad guy.

I guess you never asked for a raise anywhere you worked. If so, I guess when you got told no you just went back to work without a single hint of being disgruntled. Since you want to judge others.

Get the **** off your **** high horse.....and tell Julio that he dribbled on your bottom lip.

I liked this post except the last statement. I agree, it's always the player who is deemed selfish when they are the points out there busting their @ssses.

If Julio wants to except any deal from Artie,then more power to him, if he's happy so be it. Dez wanting what he believes he's worth does not make him selfish, especially when he outplayed his first contract and never complained.

[meezy0236]

Every decent rookie worth their salt outplays their first contract in today's NFL structure. That was why the NFL changed a few years ago so the veterans got theirs and not so unproven rookies got theirs. Dez can holdout, show up, ask for more, whatever he wishes, but it doesn't mean he is all about team and not himself first. This is where we part ways and agree to disagree. Julio will get what is deemed a good contract but I think fair for both sides.

He will not holdout or put himself above the team and he certainly will not just take any offer low offer thrown his way!

Dez is not obligated to be about the team, this is a business as well as a game, like i said Julio cam do whatever is best for Julio, but that doesn't mean he's any better than Dez when it comes to handling business.

If you prefer Julio, that's fine nothing wrong with that, but Dez earned every right to negotiate the very best deal for himself, and use what the NFL provides in order for him to obtain that.

[Des-pool]

Yeah, I disagree with Meezy here. Dez is free to do what he wants, but at some point, it becomes about greed. Calvin is getting 16 million a year, which is hurting the lions and also was a result of his rookie contract, which was before the new rookie deals were put in place. Dez was offered to be paid over 12 million to make him the 2nd highest paid receiver and he is balking because he wants close to Calvin, which is just too much. Now Dez is going public with his negotiations and accusing the broncos and cowboys of collusion, after the GM said the broncos felt the same way about Calvin's contract and were planning on offering BeBe in the 12 range also.

What I hope is that Arthur pays Julio 13 a year, and then watch the cowboys and the broncos meltdown...

[meezy0236]

Yeah, I disagree with Meezy here. Dez is free to do what he wants, but at some point, it becomes about greed. Calvin is getting 16 million a year, which is hurting the lions and also was a result of his rookie contract, which was before the new rookie deals were put in place. Dez was offered to be paid over 12 million to make him the 2nd highest paid receiver and he is balking because he wants close to Calvin, which is just too much. Now Dez is going public with his negotiations and accusing the broncos and cowboys of collusion, after the GM said the broncos felt the same way about Calvin's contract and were planning on offering BeBe in the 12 range also.

What I hope is that Arthur pays Julio 13 a year, and then watch the cowboys and the broncos meltdown...

Why is wanting what you think you're worth considered greed? The man earned this, he's not demanding this without body of work to back it up. It's not for fans to say what Dez is worth our what's too much, when he sees a deal he thinks is fair he'll sign, and more power to him. If Jerry doesn't want to come up with that number, then trust another team would in a heartbeat

[Des-pool]

Who establishes worth? the market, right? Well, Calvin's deal is unlike any other wide receivers because of the circumstances of the CBA now. So now, the market for wide receivers seems to be around 12-13 mill a year. Dez and others want it to be 16 of course, but with a salary cap, that extra 3-4 million is a big deal. Part of it is about securing future and all that, but another part has to be about fielding a competitive team. It is ok to take a little less to make sure the team around you is strong. Look at Jimmy....he would probably still be in New Orleans if he didn't try to milk the saints for every penny. At some point, a player has to balance out what they really want...just money, or a little less and a better team. And for the record, I would be saying this about any falcon doing the same thing...

[meezy0236]

Who establishes worth? the market, right? Well, Calvin's deal is unlike any other wide receivers because of the circumstances of the CBA now. So now, the market for wide receivers seems to be around 12-13 mill a year. Dez and others want it to be 16 of course, but with a salary cap, that extra 3-4 million is a big deal. Part of it is about securing future and all that, but another part has to be about fielding a competitive team. It is ok to take a little less to make sure the team around you is strong. Look at Jimmy....he would probably still be in New Orleans if he didn't try to milk the saints for every penny. At some point, a player has to balance out what they really want...just money, or a little less and a better team. And for the record, I would be saying this about any falcon doing the same thing...

Dez will sign a deal that is right for Dez, and he is not wrong not selfish in the way he's going about it. If he decides to take less then what he wants, that's fine too, but this is the process that is available to him in order to try and secure that deal for himself.

I don't care who the player is or what team they play for, a player should try to get the most money they possibly can to secure their futures, especially since NFL careers are so relatively short.

[Des-pool]

I get that point, I do. I just don't like the way they go about it sometimes. Fighting through social media and threatening to hold out is the wrong way to approach it, imho. agree to disagree, but Julio has never said he would take less, he just said he would not hold out if it comes down to it. Plus, Jerry has put up with a lot of flack concerning Dez, even paying handlers for him. Just not the way to go about it. it will be interesting to see if Jerry lets this blow up or not.

[meezy0236]

I get that point, I do. I just don't like the way they go about it sometimes. Fighting through social media and threatening to hold out is the wrong way to approach it, imho. agree to disagree, but Julio has never said he would take less, he just said he would not hold out if it comes down to it. Plus, Jerry has put up with a lot of flack concerning Dez, even paying handlers for him. Just not the way to go about it. it will be interesting to see if Jerry lets this blow up or not.

I don't mind agree to disagree, but i just feel these guys careers are fleeting, and they should try any means granted to them to get the very best deal for themselves. Love for the game is one thing, but love for yourself means a whole lot more if you ask me, IMHO

[Des-pool]

I guess it comes down to this contrasting approach: is a team more willing to take care of the player and give him close at least to what he wants if he doesn't make a big stink about it, or will they become more recalcitrant by the players demonstrative actions in negotiation. To me, it seems like Jerry is the type of owner who will make sure you get what you deserve and take care of you, but is also Texan and will die on the hill he wants to die on if you make it difficult.

Now the old Smith family for the Falcons? Milk them sonofb1tches, they would never take care of a player and give them good market value...