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4 hours ago, g-dawg said:

until Obamacare collapses, and the Republicans had no hand in it, they should do nothing - the DEMS put this house of cards together with no Republican buy-in and took no Republican ideas.  The DEMS have to come back to the table hat-n-hand and we are not there yet.   The more time that goes by and the more calamity, the more likely we are to get a bi-partisan solution.

Just look at Social Security/Medicare - it is going to blow-up in 15-20yrs but because it is so far away, the Dems have no interest in doing anything but demogoging Republicans that they want to throw granny over the cliff.

 

I know you have been proven on numerous occasion to be a complete idiot about pretty much everything you talk ( football or politics take your pick)about but even for you this is pretty  dumb.

There were over 100 republican ideas used  in the bill...... one of which was the entire bill itself.

It was the republican plan  in the 90's and early 2000s.

 

You know personal responsibility and all of that jazz

 

The narrow minded view that people like you have   are exact why  we have this **** show that we have   this election cycle.

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4 hours ago, g-dawg said:

until Obamacare collapses, and the Republicans had no hand in it, they should do nothing - the DEMS put this house of cards together with no Republican buy-in and took no Republican ideas.  The DEMS have to come back to the table hat-n-hand and we are not there yet.   The more time that goes by and the more calamity, the more likely we are to get a bi-partisan solution.

Just look at Social Security/Medicare - it is going to blow-up in 15-20yrs but because it is so far away, the Dems have no interest in doing anything but demogoging Republicans that they want to throw granny over the cliff.

so you are saying that they shouldn't do anything to fix something that is hurting their constituents so badly? their job is to represent the needs of the region/state that put them in office

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16 minutes ago, Dago 3.0 said:

so you are saying that they shouldn't do anything to fix something that is hurting their constituents so badly? their job is to represent the needs of the region/state that put them in office

Nah. Their job is to win the political battle. 

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42 minutes ago, falconsd56 said:

 

I know you have been proven on numerous occasion to be a complete idiot about pretty much everything you talk ( football or politics take your pick)about but even for you this is pretty  dumb.

There were over 100 republican ideas used  in the bill...... one of which was the entire bill itself.

It was the republican plan  in the 90's and early 2000s.

 

You know personal responsibility and all of that jazz

 

The narrow minded view that people like you have   are exact why  we have this **** show that we have   this election cycle.

Well first off, let's rise above the personal venom - I won't return in kind as that makes me no better than you and I desire to be much better than you.

I am sure you - like others - like to tie Romney and Romneycare to Obamacare.   First off, that was one state and not the entire country.  Secondly, the Republican nominee - Romney - was against nationalizing health care as it was put together by Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and democratic members of congress without a single republican vote.   Also, against what was promised by "the most transperent presidential administration ever"(still makes me laugh to say that),  Obamacare was put together by lawyers in a back room and not done in the open as Obama had promised.

The DEMOCRATS had no desire to do anything but what they wanted to do in writing this ridiculous bill that has proven to be the worst piece of legislation ever written while also being the biggest piece of sh#t.   Obama/Dems/people that supported them like you - are responsible for taking something that was badly flawed - Healthcare industry - and they made it WORSE........LMAO - they made it WORSE!!!!! :lol:

Then they say,  "yeah we did not get enough control, if government totally controls healthcare - aka Single Payer - it will be much better"....and yet, there is a single-payer system already in America - it is called the VA - and veterans are dying on waiting lists and it takes 3-6 months to see a doctor.

Sure, continue to insult me - you are the one that looks foolish - keep talking.

 

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51 minutes ago, Dago 3.0 said:

so you are saying that they shouldn't do anything to fix something that is hurting their constituents so badly? their job is to represent the needs of the region/state that put them in office

Congress' job is to represent their constituents, sure.   However, fixing Obamacare is not the best thing to do - killing it is the best thing.  You cannot polish that turd.

Healthcare needs to be re-booted from the ground up - you can think "fixing" it is the right thing to do - but fixing it to me means it needs to be scrapped and started over.    You don't fix 2,000 pages of garbage that was written in a backroom by lobbyists, where congress members were bribed to make it pass.  Congress went out of order to get this through - many forgot that the state of Massachussettes (the most liberal state in the nation) elected Scott Brown - a Republican - to take Dead Kennedy's seat - which was going to kill Obamacare - so they resolved through reconciliation.

To get Obamacare through, there were lies, bribes, non-traditional order and back-room dealing - yeah, it needs to die.

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10 hours ago, Joremarid said:

For those that favor repeal.... what would you suggest we replace it with?

How about we start back with the 85% that were happy with their healthcare before this debacle started.  Then work on rejiggering the 15% that either didn't have healthcare are were not happy with the plan they had.  

The poor go to medicaid along with a tax/subsidy to improve the system, the bad plans and cost effectiveness go to competition across state lines.  Healthcare savings plans can be added on a matching basis in the form of a subsidy to lower middle incomes. Also, ala carte plans should be able to be tailored to a customers needs. The few things that were good with the ACA like preexisting conditions, cannot lose plans due to catastrophic illness, and staying on parents plans until they are 26 is fine.   

These are my and some of the GOP leaders.  Of course we could have open and transparent discussions instead of passing a piece of shyt partisan legislation behind closed doors by a reconciliation vote.  

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52 minutes ago, g-dawg said:

Well first off, let's rise above the personal venom - I won't return in kind as that makes me no better than you and I desire to be much better than you.

I am sure you - like others - like to tie Romney and Romneycare to Obamacare.   First off, that was one state and not the entire country.  Secondly, the Republican nominee - Romney - was against nationalizing health care as it was put together by Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and democratic members of congress without a single republican vote.   Also, against what was promised by "the most transperent presidential administration ever"(still makes me laugh to say that),  Obamacare was put together by lawyers in a back room and not done in the open as Obama had promised.

The DEMOCRATS had no desire to do anything but what they wanted to do in writing this ridiculous bill that has proven to be the worst piece of legislation ever written while also being the biggest piece of sh#t.   Obama/Dems/people that supported them like you - are responsible for taking something that was badly flawed - Healthcare industry - and they made it WORSE........LMAO - they made it WORSE!!!!! :lol:

Then they say,  "yeah we did not get enough control, if government totally controls healthcare - aka Single Payer - it will be much better"....and yet, there is a single-payer system already in America - it is called the VA - and veterans are dying on waiting lists and it takes 3-6 months to see a doctor.

Sure, continue to insult me - you are the one that looks foolish - keep talking.

 

Once again you show a PROFOUND lack of understanding.

The VA has a lot of issues However those issues are very regionalized...Some VA centers get top marks while some are terrible. 

After I get back from dinner I will explain more.

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1 hour ago, g-dawg said:

Congress' job is to represent their constituents, sure.   However, fixing Obamacare is not the best thing to do - killing it is the best thing.  You cannot polish that turd.

Healthcare needs to be re-booted from the ground up - you can think "fixing" it is the right thing to do - but fixing it to me means it needs to be scrapped and started over.    You don't fix 2,000 pages of garbage that was written in a backroom by lobbyists, where congress members were bribed to make it pass.  Congress went out of order to get this through - many forgot that the state of Massachussettes (the most liberal state in the nation) elected Scott Brown - a Republican - to take Dead Kennedy's seat - which was going to kill Obamacare - so they resolved through reconciliation.

To get Obamacare through, there were lies, bribes, non-traditional order and back-room dealing - yeah, it needs to die.

Excellent post 

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2 hours ago, g-dawg said:

Congress' job is to represent their constituents, sure.   However, fixing Obamacare is not the best thing to do - killing it is the best thing.  You cannot polish that turd.

Healthcare needs to be re-booted from the ground up - you can think "fixing" it is the right thing to do - but fixing it to me means it needs to be scrapped and started over.    You don't fix 2,000 pages of garbage that was written in a backroom by lobbyists, where congress members were bribed to make it pass.  Congress went out of order to get this through - many forgot that the state of Massachussettes (the most liberal state in the nation) elected Scott Brown - a Republican - to take Dead Kennedy's seat - which was going to kill Obamacare - so they resolved through reconciliation.

To get Obamacare through, there were lies, bribes, non-traditional order and back-room dealing - yeah, it needs to die.

and the Republicans didn't offer up any viable alternatives before it was passed either. sounds like a convenient excuse to me

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4 hours ago, WhenFalconsWin said:

How about we start back with the 85% that were happy with their healthcare before this debacle started.  Then work on rejiggering the 15% that either didn't have healthcare are were not happy with the plan they had.  

The poor go to medicaid along with a tax/subsidy to improve the system, the bad plans and cost effectiveness go to competition across state lines.  Healthcare savings plans can be added on a matching basis in the form of a subsidy to lower middle incomes. Also, ala carte plans should be able to be tailored to a customers needs. The few things that were good with the ACA like preexisting conditions, cannot lose plans due to catastrophic illness, and staying on parents plans until they are 26 is fine.   

These are my and some of the GOP leaders.  Of course we could have open and transparent discussions instead of passing a piece of shyt partisan legislation behind closed doors by a reconciliation vote.  

Outside of competition across state lines, that's basically the aca.

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12 hours ago, g-dawg said:

Well first off, let's rise above the personal venom - I won't return in kind as that makes me no better than you and I desire to be much better than you.

I am sure you - like others - like to tie Romney and Romneycare to Obamacare.   First off, that was one state and not the entire country.  Secondly, the Republican nominee - Romney - was against nationalizing health care as it was put together by Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and democratic members of congress without a single republican vote.   Also, against what was promised by "the most transperent presidential administration ever"(still makes me laugh to say that),  Obamacare was put together by lawyers in a back room and not done in the open as Obama had promised.

The DEMOCRATS had no desire to do anything but what they wanted to do in writing this ridiculous bill that has proven to be the worst piece of legislation ever written while also being the biggest piece of sh#t.   Obama/Dems/people that supported them like you - are responsible for taking something that was badly flawed - Healthcare industry - and they made it WORSE........LMAO - they made it WORSE!!!!! :lol:

Then they say,  "yeah we did not get enough control, if government totally controls healthcare - aka Single Payer - it will be much better"....and yet, there is a single-payer system already in America - it is called the VA - and veterans are dying on waiting lists and it takes 3-6 months to see a doctor.

Sure, continue to insult me - you are the one that looks foolish - keep talking.

 

You can also look at medicaid as another example of our wonderfully flawed Govt run healthcare system. Or hey, lets look at social security. What a freakin disaster that is. My dad paid in hundreds of $1000's in to Social security and they paid him roughly $2000 per month until his death. What a crock of chit.

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7 hours ago, Joremarid said:

Outside of competition across state lines, that's basically the aca.

No, not exactly.  With this you can keep your doctor, there are more doctor's and specialists on your list within your area you can see.  Also, not changing the original 85% that wasn't broken is not even close to the ACA with the exception of adding a couple of the provisions from it.  .  

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17 hours ago, Joremarid said:

Do you generally get offended when others ask for clarification on your statements?

Again, are you asking why we dont use a system where people pay for healthcare out of pocket? If so and if the argument against aca is that its not affordable to the average american, then what makes you think they can afford healthcare?

No.  However, I do find it annoying when people ignore my question, then put words in my mouth in order to continue a characterization of me.  I am not deluded into thinking that Obamacare or other government encroachment on my freedom as it relates to obtaining medical care is going to change in favor of more liberty.  So, I find the conversation a little irritating.  It reminds me of Milton Friedman's green ties.  It is the nature of control economy to see each step along the way as failing because there was not more control until they have total control.  Then failure can be ignored.

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1 minute ago, Joremarid said:

I didnt put words in your mouth. I asked a question. Your answer again was vague.

 

Sure you did.  Have me asking why 300 million americans can't pay cash for healthcare.  That is a stupid question, which I have never asked.  I would ask why can't I make my own choices about how I purchase healthcare ( a service) and insurance ( a financial instrument).  How is forcing people to buy a financial product in line with a nation founded on liberty?

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Just now, Joremarid said:

A simple idk would suffice. There's nothing wrong with not knowing.  I don't have the faintest idea how you make healthcare more affordable and i work in that field.

I think that we have a convoluted system in place that makes a mess of something simple.  Doctors have a skill that they wish to sell to patients and the government and big businesses have colluded to erect a massive barrier between doctors and patients.  The more of that mess we tear down, the less we need to come up with super clever ideas how it should be handled.  

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