Knight of God Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000498478/article/the-superstar-club-in-2015-who-arrives-who-leavesThe Superstar Club 2015: Who arrives? Who leaves? What is a superstar?The term is thrown around often in sports, but its true definition is -- to quote the great Michael Scott -- a bit neb-u-lous.Here's our interpretation: A superstar is a transcendent, Hall of Fame-level talent. He is a monster statistical producer and the unquestioned centerpiece of his team. If he were to be removed from the equation by injury, retirement, act of God, or underinflated footballs, his team is totally, irrevocably FUBAR.There aren't many players like that in the NFL. And once you reach that rarified air, it's a challenge to stay there for long. Every season, there will be players who become superstars. Conversely, there will be those who fall off.For fun -- it is late June, after all -- let's take a shot at predicting who stays and who goes in 2015. First, the ground rules: There is a maximum occupancy for the Superstar Club®. Let too many people in and you leave yourself open to overcrowding, poor bar service and a potential fire code violation. Nobody likes a sausage party.To prevent this, I'll take out my clicker and institute the most loathsome of door man protocol: The one-person-in-one-person-out move. I am the bouncer and this is a zero-sum game.Let's get to it.IN: Welcome to the Club, C.J. SpillerSpiller made the best decision of his career when he signed with the Saints in free agency. The shifty running back has the ideal skill-set for Sean Payton's system, which thrives at getting the ball to playmakers in space. That's exactly what Spiller needs if he is going to return to the guy who tallied nearly 1,500 all-purpose yards and eight touchdowns during his 2012 breakout season in Buffalo. Colleague Chris Wesseling was bullish on Spiller when we talked about the Superstar Club on the latest Around The NFL Podcast: "We've seen Sean Payton do it with Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles. C.J. Spiller is way better than both of those guys."OUT: Come with me, Brandon Marshall Marshall has been one of the NFL's most productive wide receivers for years, a guy who's overcome personal turmoil and multiple surgeries. But he won't overcome playing wide receiver for the New York Jets. Pop quiz: Who was the last Jets wideout to go to the Pro Bowl? That would be Keyshawn Johnson, who played in the league's all-star game two months before Britney Spears released "Oops I Did It Again." Devil's advocate angle: Jets offensive coordinator Chan Gailey has a sneaky way of producing yardage and scoring points. Never forget this is the man who got Ryan Fitzpatrick a $60 million contract.IN: Step in the door, Matt RyanRyan has been on the precipice for superstardom for years. One could argue that there's a reason for that. But Ryan has also been held back -- especially in recent years -- by a weak supporting cast. The Falcons made a strong personnel hire in offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan, who should do wonders for a running game that has been stuck in the mud for years. With some more help, could Ryan's fortune turn the way it did for another underappreciated eight-letter QB? Said Gregg Rosenthal on the podcast: "He's overdue for a monster season. Ryan is a little like Tony Romo, where he's better than his overall reputation. If things work right, I can see him having an MVP caliber season."OUT: Hey Larry Fitzgerald, come with me, manI hate, hate, hate to do this. I love me some Larry Fitzgerald. We all do. But the Superstar Club is a meritocracy and Fitzgerald hasn't put up superstar production in some time. Did you know Larry Fitzgerald hasn't had a 1,000-yard season in four years? I bet you didn't, and you know why? Because we love Larry Fitzgerald. We want to think he'll always be the monster who tore apart the league during the Cardinals' Super Bowl run in 2008. But age, injuries and production suggest that's no longer the case.IN: (Clicks hand tally counter) Enter, Randall Cobb The 2015 Packers have that 2013 Broncos buzz to them right now. If everyone stays healthy, a 600-point season is in reach. And if that happens, there will be plenty of love to go around. Cobb, still just 24, is a special player who is made better by having two players (Aaron Rodgers and Jordy Nelson) already in the Superstar Club and another (Eddie Lacy) knocking on the door. Cobb and Rodgers have undeniable chemistry, and defenses never know what the Packers are going to do because of their unmatched balance on offense. That will leave the middle of the field wide open for Cobb -- perhaps more than ever before.OUT: Time to say good night, Jimmy GrahamIf Fitzgerald was the toughest cut for sentimental reasons, then Graham is the hardest dismissal for "This guy can make me look like a total idiot" reasons. When 100 percent healthy, Graham is virtually uncoverable. But Graham doesn't typically make it through a season at full health, and he's not close to the same guy when he's banged up. Then add in the scene shift to Seattle. The Seahawks are the best running team in football (172.6 yards per game last season). Are they going to shift their offensive philosophy for one guy? (Let's never, ever forget that the Seahawks are probably back-to-back Super Bowl champions if they give Marshawn Lynch the ball in February.) Throw in the challenges of an unfamiliar environment, a new scheme and quarterback, and 2015 could be a transition year for Graham spent on the wrong side of the velvet ropes of The Superstar Club.IN: Don't forget to tip your waitress, Khalil Mack Hey, let's talk positively about the Oakland Raiders! Reggie McKenzie has taken his lumps (deservedly in most cases) for his GM tenure in Oakland, but give credit where credit is due: Khalil Mack was a home run pick at fifth overall in 2014. Mack showed all the signs of future stardom as a rookie, getting to the quarterback with regularity, stuffing the run and being a general menace for opposing offenses. Mack had four sacks last season -- a pedestrian total -- but 40 QB hurries and 10 QB hits (according to ProFootballFocus.com) hints of a stud on the rise. With another year of development, don't be surprised if all those visits to the quarterbacks lead to double-digit sacks.OUT: You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here, Drew BreesNow that Tom Brady and Peyton Manning have successfully defied Father Time at the quarterback position, we've begun to assume everybody can do it. But perhaps it's smarter to look at Manning and Brady -- two of the greatest players in NFL history -- as the outliers that they are. Brees remained a statistical stud last season, but a closer look at his game tape shows a quarterback making far more mistakes in big spots. Never blessed with outstanding physical tools, Brees, now 36, could be more susceptible to an age-related drop-off. And this is before you remove Jimmy Graham from the equation and factor in a new, run-heavy approach. Brees could still be great, but the 5,000-yard dynamo seasons are likely history.And that, my friends, is 1,200 words of earnestness on a club that does not exist. 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apl2g Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Lol good article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I love how two saints are on the out list. Im interested to see what Spiller can do for the stains. I always thought that trading Sproles was a huge net loss for them. Now with another guy who can spread the defense out in Spiller they could see a resurgence. Hopefully not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Held back by a weak supporting cast.....hmmm, where have I heard that before. Oh, that's right, I've been saying that for years with exception of 2012 when he had a medicocre to good supporting cast. ( still not as good as Tom Brady and Manning have had most years) The only reason Ryan isn't universally considered elite is because he was unable to cover Vernon Davis in the flat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Btw, I just plugged in the popcorn maker, heating it up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaggy 2.0 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I love how two saints are on the out list. Im interested to see what Spiller can do for the stains. I always thought that trading Sproles was a huge net loss for them. Now with another guy who can spread the defense out in Spiller they could see a resurgence. Hopefully not.I agree. Hope PW55 is ready to cover spiller comin out the back field. Have a feeling that is the match they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSmackDaddy Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I agree. Hope PW55 is ready to cover spiller comin out the back field. Have a feeling that is the match they want.We all know that's not a good idea so I'm sure Quinn does as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Lo_Touchdowns Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Reggie Bush was a superstar because of his run at USC, Sproales although he's a good player isn't a superstar, if you sat next to him at a bar you probably wouldn't know who he was, don't see Spiller being a superstar for the Skanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I like Matt Ryan. He is good at football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Matt Ryan had a much better than mediocre cast around himin 2012 we had a stacked offense and was within 10 minutes of the superbowl....... 2013 that cast was hit very very hard with injuries and decline.If we can stay healthy on offense we have the chance to be pretty special on offense...........and that is directly related to the arm of Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Matt Ryan is an extremely talented QB, but he lacks one essential to become a bonafide superstar: A command performance in the play-offs. He needs at least one post-season game where his play propels the team to a win in a close contest. That would help him a lot because he just hasn't done it yet. Now, if he could somehow manage to have that stellar performance in the Super Bowl, he'd gain super star status instantly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayOzOne Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I was relieved reading the article. When I read the title, I thought that Ryan was photographed coming out of a strip joint. These are the longest six weeks of the year and you never know which player is going to get jammed up in an embarrassing situation before training camp starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuggle'2 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Don't really care about the title or whatever, I do however appreciate this.Ryan has been on the precipice for superstardom for years. One could argue that there's a reason for that. But Ryan has also been held back -- especially in recent years -- by a weak supporting cast.So much better than the normal "Surrounded by weapons" BS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTBF54 Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 Don't really care about the title or whatever, I do however appreciate this.So much better than the normal "Surrounded by weapons" BS.Surrounded by both.... Crappy O-line and weapons..... Time he had both IMO and then we'll see.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Don't really care about the title or whatever, I do however appreciate this.So much better than the normal "Surrounded by weapons" BS.I want him surrounded by the quality of offensive linemen Manning and Brady have had almost every single year of their careers, the kind of excellent multi faceted running backs they both have had most of their careers, a TE who can still run and make plays 20+ yards down field, a healthy set of WRs at same time he's got the other pieces and, for just once, a dominant defense like Tom Brady has had backing him up most of his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Power I Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 I want him surrounded by the quality of offensive linemen Manning and Brady have had almost every single year of their careers, the kind of excellent multi faceted running backs they both have had most of their careers, a TE who can still run and make plays 20+ yards down field, a healthy set of WRs at same time he's got the other pieces and, for just once, a dominant defense like Tom Brady has had backing him up most of his career.We're about to see Manning with probably the worst line he's possibly ever had. Throw in his decline at the end of last year and it might not be pretty for him this season.That said, I still wish to see Matt Ryan with a dominant line. It doesn't look like it's happening any time soon, unfortunately. The thing is, Ryan is going to throw 10-12 interceptions a year regardless of his weapons. We might as well give him a great line and great running game to see what he can do, even if it means subtracting some talent from the passing game. He won with guys like Brian Finneran, Michael Jenkins, Justin Peelle, and Ben Hartsock catching passes already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcndave Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 ...he lacks one essential to become a bonafide superstar: A command performance in the play-offs. He needs at least one post-season game where his play propels the team to a win in a close contest. That would help him a lot because he just hasn't done it yet.I know he had 2 ints, but I'd still say the playoff game vs. the Seahawks meets your criteria. 3 TD, 54% 3rd down conversion rate, and 3 big passes when it was undeniably money time after the 'hawks late score. I was in the Dome for that one with my father. Sometimes it is more about feel than stats. In my opinion, Ryan came up big and propelled his team to a win on that day. That is how it felt in the Dome anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCCooley Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Thanks for posting this KOG. Some funny shyte in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flyfalconfly Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I love how two saints are on the out list. Im interested to see what Spiller can do for the stains. I always thought that trading Sproles was a huge net loss for them. Now with another guy who can spread the defense out in Spiller they could see a resurgence. Hopefully not.Who is this Spiller guy you are talking about has been playing for the Aints I never heard of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 Who is this Spiller guy you are talking about has been playing for the Aints I never heard of him.CJ Spiller from Buffalo. Former 1st round pick (if I'm not mistaken) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 I know he had 2 ints, but I'd still say the playoff game vs. the Seahawks meets your criteria. 3 TD, 54% 3rd down conversion rate, and 3 big passes when it was undeniably money time after the 'hawks late score. I was in the Dome for that one with my father. Sometimes it is more about feel than stats. In my opinion, Ryan came up big and propelled his team to a win on that day. That is how it felt in the Dome anyway.I agree, that was a great comeback, but he'd had a couple of INT's in that game, and that takes at least some of the shine off his performance. I feel he needs to have a no-turnover play-off win to put him over the top, but yes that was a great finish by Matt for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 CJ Spiller from Buffalo. Former 1st round pick (if I'm not mistaken)Top 10 pick! He scares me a bit this year. Could cause a lot of problems for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I agree, that was a great comeback, but he'd had a couple of INT's in that game, and that takes at least some of the shine off his performance. I feel he needs to have a no-turnover play-off win to put him over the top, but yes that was a great finish by Matt for sure.We gotta get ourselves in a WC round. That's one thing we haven't had the benefit of....landing in the WC round and playing a "meh" opponent. That's where a **** of a lot of the legendary "playoff success!" comes from.....teams getting to play 5 and 6 seeds at home in the playoffs when the 5/6 is weakish. We've basically played the best teams in the league every year in the playoffs. That's randomness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xfactor Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 With Shanahan Matt will have a monster year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 I know he had 2 ints, but I'd still say the playoff game vs. the Seahawks meets your criteria. 3 TD, 54% 3rd down conversion rate, and 3 big passes when it was undeniably money time after the 'hawks late score. I was in the Dome for that one with my father. Sometimes it is more about feel than stats. In my opinion, Ryan came up big and propelled his team to a win on that day. That is how it felt in the Dome anyway.I was at that game with my dad as well. Darn near gave the Old man (80) a heart attack!MR was calm as ice on that last drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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