Yep Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) TAMPA, Fla. -- As the offensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons the past three years, Dirk Koetter had a lot of success with quarterback Matt Ryan in the passing game.Thats good news now that Koetter is with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, because rookie quarterback Jameis Winston is a lot like Ryan, at least in the eyes of one guy who makes his living breaking down tape.Analyst Greg Cosell says the Bucs must give Jameis Winston a quality offensive line and running game, because "he does have that willingness to turn it loose and he can be a little reckless." Don Juan Moore/Getty Images"One could argue that, stylistically, Matt Ryan and Jameis Winston are somewhat similar," NFL analyst Greg Cosell said in this radio interview. "I remember when Matt Ryan came out. I very much liked Matt Ryan when he came out. But there were some who believed that he was a little slow-twitch, that he was a little bit of a strider. The same things that I believe about Jameis Winston."The talk about being a slow-twitch athlete shouldnt be construed as a negative. Its a nice way of saying that Ryan and Winston are pocket passers who arent going to make plays with their feet. Koetter has shown he can work well with a pocket passer, but Cosell said Winston is going to need some help from his supporting cast."The biggest concern for Tampa will be the offensive line, because I think that Jameis Winston needs an offensive line," Cosell said. "I think he needs a running game, too, and they don't really have one right now -- we don't know who their back will be at this point. But I think they're going to have to be a little careful with Winston, because there could be a lot of pressure on him, and he does have that willingness to turn it loose and he can be a little reckless."Those are valid concerns. The Bucs allowed 52 sacks last season and the offensive line didnt block well in the running game. The Bucs have overhauled their offensive line this offseason and that should help Winston, who inherits receivers Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans and tight end Austin Seferian-Jenkins."Jameis is a pull-the-trigger quarterback," Cosell said. "He's a confident thrower, he has built into his DNA, which is great, that he's going to turn it loose, and he's going to throw to receivers even if they appear covered. And with those two big guys on the outside and a big tight end, that plays into the way he sees the game. The issue there is pass protection, because Jameis is a little slow-twitch and a little deliberate in everything he does and that needs to be speeded up."http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/170164/comparing-jameis-winston-to-matt-ryan Edited June 9, 2015 by bout dat action Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Here we go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaichuFTW Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Matt Ryan is better. Jameis may throw similar to Matt and all that but I know for sure that he does not have the same mindset. Mat Ryan is more of a leader than Jameis could ever hope to be. Dirk is gonna have a hard not having that franchise QB anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaptain Krazy Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 ah, click bait.It was interesting to read Cosell saying that Winston and Ryan are similar-style QBs. That doesn't fit the narrative some on here want to forward...posts wishing that Ryan could be "mobile" (i.e., darker-skinned) in 3,2,1... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndySG Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I'm glad that this wasn't a serious question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFanatic Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Yeah. I'm done comparing MR2 to any other QB's. He's a great QB who is good enough to win a superbowl with as long as we have the right supporting cast around him. That's all that needs to be said and any talking head or article from a beat writer will ever convince me differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1969 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Fuk that author right in the poosy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Truth Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 **YAWN** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Obviously Matt Ryan. By light years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I don't see Ryan when I watch Winston. Winston reminds me of Flacco more than Ryan. Or maybe Cam with a better arm but worse legs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I don't see Ryan when I watch Winston. Winston reminds me of Flacco more than Ryan. Or maybe Cam with a better arm but worse legs. The Flacco comp is a pretty good one. Jameis is a bit better at throwing with anticipation but similar sorts of athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This can't be a serious article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This can't be a serious article. June, dude. Peeps need stuff to write about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerSteve Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The premise of this article was a pathetic reach. Jameis Winston is a raw rookie with zero stats and a shaky history in college. Ryan was a model student, athlete and QB and had extraordinary maturity as a rookie in the NFL. Winston already has a track record of immaturity and that will likely continue and cause him to struggle to establish himself as a legit stud QB.It's very early to make any bold predictions, but I think it will take Winston years before he will be able to measure up to the standards Matt Ryan has set not only as a person of integrity, but also as a top QB in the NFL. At this stage, you couldn't give me four Winstons for one Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clownorg Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 seeing as Jameis hasn't even thrown one single NFL pass And Ryan's very first one went for a TD.....Jameis has a long way to go before he has earned the right to even be spoken of in the same company as Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Dumb comparing Winston to Ryan. As reckless as he is with football, I would compare him to Jay. cutler before I would Ryan....or even worse, Byron Leftwich.And MR has proven the last two seasons he can be an effective QB without a solid OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTFalcon25 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 The only thing this article is suggesting is that they play with similar styles. That's not an earth-shattering revelation, and it certainly doesn't pose the question of who's better. That was the OP's question. The article also says that Winston will need good pass protection and a running game in order to be successful. WHAT?! NO WAY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This is a joke? Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Who is better, Vic Beasley or Lawrence Taylor?See how stupid that sounds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 (edited) The only thing this article is suggesting is that they play with similar styles. That's not an earth-shattering revelation, and it certainly doesn't pose the question of who's better. That was the OP's question. I get that it was not about who is better, but I just don't see any similarity in quarterbacking styles or in their mental makeup. Edited June 9, 2015 by Vandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StockSpyder Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Already??? Winston hasn't even made it out of his first training camp yet...Where's the RGIII vs Matt Ryan thread.. oh man that one's a winner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwifalcon Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Is it school holidays in the US or something.Stop it threads like these should be deleted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of God Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 This belongs on Rival Central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tuggle'2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I like Winston for obvious reasons, but it is waaay to early for all that noise. i will say it is about time that Tampa finally hit on a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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