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If this wasn't enough to make me realize his reasoning is crap:

Ryan is the better player right now, but I'm not willing to overlook Newton's superior physical gifts. If his career plays out in a best-case scenario, Newton can conceivably surpass every quarterback on the list save Rodgers and Luck.

then this was:

Whereas a Tom Brady- or Peyton Manning-led team has not won fewer than 10 games since 2002, Ryan's Atlanta squad has managed 10 wins total over the past two seasons.

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Swap Ryan out for Watt last year (Or the year before that) and we go 0-16. We definitely don't make the playoffs the other seasons since 2007 making that trade either. That's the only value I need to know about.

A dominating D-lineman is still easier to find and less valuable than a great-elite franchise QB

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Ah, that's right. I forgot QB's lead teams to double digit wins by themselves while playing with a bottom 3 running game and literally the worst defense in the league. Manning and Brady have played on teams with similar situations and lead them to 10+ wins

Thanks for reminding me, Chris. And thank you OP for demonstrating your comprehension of the game

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This article is total garbage. First of all how do you rank Cam Newton ahead of Ryan. He isn't anywhere as good as Ryan, in think Cam Newton is really overated and did not deserve that contract he got. Second, if you put Brady or Manning behind the Falcons o-line, this team would have the same results as they did last two years

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This article is total garbage. First of all how do you rank Cam Newton ahead of Ryan. He isn't anywhere as good as Ryan, in think Cam Newton is really overated and did not deserve that contract he got. Second, if you put Brady or Manning behind the Falcons o-line, this team would have the same results as they did last two years

I'm not so sure of Manning. The Colts were a perrenial Superbowl contender with Manning. With basically the same team and coaching staff, the Manning-less Colts went 2-14.

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I'm not so sure of Manning. The Colts were a perrenial Superbowl contender with Manning. With basically the same team and coaching staff, the Manning-less Colts went 2-14.

Good point but for this guy that wrote the article blaming Ryan for this team losing is unfair

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How many games the last 2 seasons did Matt Ryan get us in position to win, that the defense or coaching decisions cost us? I can think of 3 games this last season. So that would have been 9 wins.

We got close against the Pats and Jets in 2014. Matt hit Roddy in the hands to at least tie it, on a 4th down pass to the endzone.

Sorry, as of today, there's no debate that Rodger and Brady are better, but they wouldn't be nearly as good on this team with Smitty coaching, and the 2013-2014 OL, and D.

Considering Matt leads the league in comeback wins and gamewinning drives, I'd say he can carry a team as good as anyone.

As far as Cam Newton, he's not even close to Matt Ryan. Talk to me when he can read a defense.

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How many games the last 2 seasons did Matt Ryan get us in position to win, that the defense or coaching decisions cost us? I can think of 3 games this last season. So that would have been 9 wins.

We got close against the Pats and Jets in 2014. Matt hit Roddy in the hands to at least tie it, on a 4th down pass to the endzone.

Sorry, as of today, there's no debate that Rodger and Brady are better, but they wouldn't be nearly as good on this team with Smitty coaching, and the 2013-2014 OL, and D.

Considering Matt leads the league in comeback wins and gamewinning drives, I'd say he can carry a team as good as anyone.

As far as Cam Newton, he's not even close to Matt Ryan. Talk to me when he can read a defense.

I think Rodgers could overcome a bad offensive because of his mobility, but everything else you said is on point
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Swap Ryan out for Watt last year (Or the year before that) and we go 0-16. We definitely don't make the playoffs the other seasons since 2007 making that trade either. That's the only value I need to know about.

I agree, Ryan throws a better ball than Watt does.

/purple

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The funniest thing about this article is that it's first sentence regarding the comparison is 100% wrong.

Ryan is NOT a better player than Watt right now. JJ Watt is the best player in the NFL.

BUT, Ryan is good at a more important position.....sufficiently such that I'd take Ryan over Watt.

I also think it's laughable to say you'd take Roethlisberger/Rivers over Ryan but whatever.

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The funniest thing about this article is that it's first sentence regarding the comparison is 100% wrong.

Ryan is NOT a better player than Watt right now. JJ Watt is the best player in the NFL.

BUT, Ryan is good at a more important position.....sufficiently such that I'd take Ryan over Watt.

I also think it's laughable to say you'd take Roethlisberger/Rivers over Ryan but whatever.

I'd take Ryan over Rivers, but I don't see how its laughable to take Roethlisberger over Ryan. Even though he didn't do much when the Steelers won the superbowl in 05-06, he had alot to do with winning the second superbowl, and he puts up good numbers
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One interesting stat I've always wondered before is that Matt Ryan has never thrown more than 4 TD's in a single game. All the Elite QB's have put up 6-7, and even average QB's like Dalton, Stafford, Alex Smith, Flacco, Matt Flynn, Derek Anderson, Carson Palmer, and Matt Schaub have put up at least 5.

This isn't a knock on Ryan at all. I think it says more about our past teams/coaches aggressiveness. I don't understand why this team under Smitty would so often drop 3 TD's in the 1st half and then stall out in the 2nd half. It happened so often it was like clockwork. I hope Quinn and Shanahan know how to keep scoring through all 4 quarters. If that happens, then we should see Matt Ryan start throwing the occasional 5-6 TD's in a game like other QB's do. And if that happens his number of TD's could shoot up to 40-ish for the season. I would not be surprised if that happened.

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The Falcons have 10 wins in 2 seasons with a great QB.

The Texans have 11 wins in 2 seasons with no QB.

I'm a Ryan supporter but this makes me cringe a little.

They got decent play out of Fitzpatrick last year as a game manager, and leaned on the run game and defense. The year before when they had Case Keenum starting (i.e. nobody at QB), they ended up with the #1 overall pick.

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If this wasn't enough to make me realize his reasoning is crap:

Ryan is the better player right now, but I'm not willing to overlook Newton's superior physical gifts. If his career plays out in a best-case scenario, Newton can conceivably surpass every quarterback on the list save Rodgers and Luck.

This was it for me. How can Ryan 1) be ranked below Newton, and 2) be considered of less value to his team, when the author admits Ryan is better than Newton?

Plus, how do you determine the relative value of JJ Watt to this team, assuming we have to trade Ryan to get him? JJ Watt cannot make up the gap between Matt Ryan and T.J. Yates. ****, he can't make up the gap between himself and the next best player on our defense.

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Ryan is the better player right now, but I'm not willing to overlook Newton's superior physical gifts. If his career plays out in a best-case scenario, Newton can conceivably surpass every quarterback on the list save Rodgers and Luck.

Newton has been weighed... He has been measured... He has been found lacking!.... in the mental ability and character to be an elite NFL quarterback!

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Ryan is the better player right now, but I'm not willing to overlook Newton's superior physical gifts. If his career plays out in a best-case scenario, Newton can conceivably surpass every quarterback on the list save Rodgers and Luck.

Newton has been weighed... He has been measured... He has been found lacking!.... in the mental ability and character to be an elite NFL quarterback!

LOL

Yeah, you notice he kept his evaluation to purely physical attributes.

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