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Sorry if already posted. I heard on the radio yesterday that us fans have a double standard when it comes to nfl players and nfl owners honoring the contract. When nfl owners cut or trade a player it's called good business. But when a player holds out for more money he's greedy. I just wanna hear y'all thoughts on the subject

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Both sides should know what they are agreeing to, and then stick to it. If the agreement allows the contract to be terminated early, so be it. That was the agreement. I don't care what the agreement is, I simply expect both sides to stick to it. That's not so difficult yes?

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Both sides should know what they are agreeing to, and then stick to it. If the agreement allows the contract to be terminated early, so be it. That was the agreement. I don't care what the agreement is, I simply expect both sides to stick to it. That's not so difficult yes?

Usually, the agreement spells out what happens if the player refuses to pay. So even in holding out, the contract is being honored.

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Both sides should know what they are agreeing to, and then stick to it. If the agreement allows the contract to be terminated early, so be it. That was the agreement. I don't care what the agreement is, I simply expect both sides to stick to it. That's not so difficult yes?

Fantasy land.

Player's agents will push for market value if the feel their clients are under compensated. Whether under contract or not.

Franchises will terminate contracts or trade players when they think it makes business sense. Whether under contract or not.

See Abe, Clabo, Turner, RobbinUs, Jesse, Jam, Bartkowski, you name it.

Fans that don't fully understand the business of the NFL get emotionally caught up in it.

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I'm on the players side, mostly. They can be traded and fired anytime but they can't quit or transfer unless the team says it's okay. You could say that signed up for that but they really don't have an option if they want to play.

I tend to lean toward players too.

You're wrong about them not being able to quit though. See Jelly. He said the hail with this Hard Knocks, I'm quitting. I'll just go back to Mississippi and chop it up wit my boys. Do some fishing. Smoke plenty weed.

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I really don't side with either. I'm at the stage of life where I'm greedy. I just want uninterrupted football.

I don't particularly like the players or owners....even regarding the Falcons. They aren't friends or relatives of mine.

I tell you who I side with...the logo and the colors.

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Not really a double standard but two different scenarios.

Owner terminates contract: This usually happens when the player is either no longer of value to club or has done something they shouldn't have. Last significant case is that they simply cannot afford the player's salary but that is a FA case. Unless the player was wildly popular and still getting it done, most fans would agree with such moves.

Player holds out for more money: Pretty straight forward that the player wants more than the team feels he is worth (or can afford). For the common fan, this is often viewed as greed since most players that do this are holding out for more "extra" money than most people will make in their lifetime let alone the money they are being offered. As such there is usually very little sympathy to their situation though it is not any different fundamentally than their own desire to make what they think they are worth. Million ballers will rarely be seen as sympathetic figures in a hold out.

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Fantasy land.

Player's agents will push for market value if the feel their clients are under compensated. Whether under contract or not.

Franchises will terminate contracts or trade players when they think it makes business sense. Whether under contract or not.

See Abe, Clabo, Turner, RobbinUs, Jesse, Jam, Bartkowski, you name it.

Fans that don't fully understand the business of the NFL get emotionally caught up in it.

It's pretty sad when asking both parties to a contract to keep their word is considered "Fantasy land."

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Since when did having double standards equate to being a hypocrite?

I have different standards for my 2 sons and I have different standards for my daughter---I do not see that as being hypocritical

I don't accept that premise------ but just for argument --- if true---- then yes I'm a hypocrite

maybe not on this specific topic but on SOME topic --yes --we all are --just different topics

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Well I certainly see it as a form of hypocrisy, but I myself have always felt that the money side of the NFL is something that I have no say in and understand and respect both sides point of view. Would never look down on a player for what they're getting paid or what they want to get paid. While at the same time understanding that the owners are there to make money too so sometimes it really does go down to it is just a business. Why you haven't nor ever will catch me complaining about either.

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According to NFL players association the average NFL player's career is 6 years. I don't blame these guys for trying to make as much money as they can while they are still able to perform.

After all, when you think about it, you never know when the next play is going to be the one that ends your career. Ki-Jana Carter (Penn State Running Back) was the #1 draft pick by the Bengals in 1995, on his 3rd carry of his first preseason game he blew out his knee. He was never the same after that.

On the flip side, I understand the owners viewpoint too. The less you pay this one guy who wants break the bank the more you can spend bettering the team in other areas.

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Its hard to pity millionaires who work for billionaires while playing a game.

But it does go wider than the game OR the games (MLB,. NHL, NBA, etc)

There are salary disputes in the entertainment industry

In the medical profession, and the industrial CEO industry

it happens everywhere

nothing wrong with having different points of view on the value of services provided

3rd party interest are just that --3rd party (FANS)

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I had this conversation with my dad yesterday. I told him that I agreed with Adrian Peterson when he complained about the double standard last week. I think it's hypocritical that fans call players traitors out disloyal when they hold out, but don't say anything when an owner wants to tear up a contract after two years.

Dad thinks the owner should be able to demand market value but that the players are greedy for wanting it. I circle back to Dan Gilbert's letter calling LeBron disloyal for leaving Cleveland. Part of Gilbert's plan to keep LeBron was to fire Mike Brown and Danny Ferry, the coach and GM who led them to the two most successful seasons in team history. How loyal was Gilbert?

That being said, I didn't appreciate it when Sean Taylor held out after his rookie season. I think the system sucks and wonder why players are perceived in a different light when money is involved.

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Here's the problem in AP's case. He got $10 million last year and played 1 game, should he have to give that back since it was his fault for missing them?

Really was that guarenteed money?

I thought their salaries were normally broken down into X $$ per game (16total) PLAYED

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