Sheldon Cooper Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Osi Umenyiora, Mike Johnson, Gabe Carimi, Jonathan Scott, Javier Arenas, Steven Jackson, Drew Davis, and Justin Blalock are available, unsigned, and likely retired. There are 1, 184 more players that will become unemployed by the end of august but 320 of them will be re-signed to PS's.Corey Peters-ARZ, Sean Weatherspoon-ARZ, Dwight Lowery-IND, Harry Douglas-TEN, Robert McClain-NE, Jaquizz Rodgers-CHI, Josh Wilson-DET Jonathan Massaquoi-TEN, and Bear Pascoe-CHI caught on elsewhere. I would have thought Mike Tice would bring Carimi to Oakland but they seem to be 4 deep at OT and ok at OG too. I actually thought Carimi played ok at times. Seemed like good depth.17 gone, 9 picked up, 8 still homeless and that number could climb with final cuts. Lowery, Peters, and Weatherspoon could start. Wilson, Pascoe, McClain, and even Douglas face a battle to make current rosters. Rodgers and Massaquoi figure to add depth to new team but Rodgers could get pushed way down behind starter Matt Forte with KaDeem Carey, and rookie 4th rder Jeremy Langford looking for carries.Douglas is in a full house with 1st rder Kendall Wright, 2nd rder Justin Hunter, fellow FA signee Hakeem Hicks, and rookies Green Beckam(rd 2) and Tre McBride(rd 7).Over half of the guys sent packing could be out of the NFL entirely to start the season. That speaks volumes to how much Quinn has potentially improved this team. Again that number could climb with further cuts from last years roster looming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RYNE Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I've been saying this for a long time. With the old regime is was amazing how many players we hung on to that no one else would even want.Lamar Holmes is in that category Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Cooper Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 Lamar could be challenged for sure. Even if he make the team this year I dont think he is re-signed. I think Lefeld has chance at roster in his place after year on PS to add strength. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Numerous factors include who we wanted, why we wanted them, and how they were trained/used after they got here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_Lo_Touchdowns Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Could also mean that the problem with this team is the players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Cooper Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 I think the problem was the coaching staffs miserable attempt at evaluating talent, needs, and who would improve the roster. Many of the guys they valued were dismissed. We are witnessing a staff that recognizes player strengths, team needs, and who fits the bill.The key is having a scheme that is effective without requiring 22 1st rd picks/prize free agents as starters. SEA utilizes late rd picks to effectively stock CB replacing starters lost to free agency with the next man up.They have the same success on the OL. Most of their WR's are UDFA's. They signed Carey Williams to replace Byron Maxwell who effectively replaced FA Brandon Browner the year prior. RT Breno Giacomini was lost to NYJ's and effectively replaced by 2nd rder Justin Britt. They have exhibited lucid clarity filling holes punched in roster by free agent loss. Quinn to my mind meets or exceeds his mentors ability to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDaveG Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I've never thought this was an either/or, but this isn't fantasy football where you can just cobble together a bunch of talent and turn it into a team. Part of the problem is the coaching staff has to identify not only which players they want, but how those players will be used within the overall scheme. I do think we suffered from a lack of talent, especially on defense and the o-line. But that wasn't our only problem, and not by a long shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Could also mean that the problem with this team is the playersIt clearly says the problem was/is TD and not so much Mike Smith. I love DQ but he couldn't have done any better with Smittys talent and Smitty would do better with DQs talent this yr. Smitty was the scapegoat but I understand it's a business and it's always the coaches fault so changes are made to pacify the fan base to sell tickets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOEinPHX Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 It clearly says the problem was/is TD and not so much Mike Smith. I love DQ but he couldn't have done any better with Smittys talent and Smitty would do better with DQs talent this yr. Smitty was the scapegoat but I understand it's a business and it's always the coaches fault so changes are made to pacify the fan base to sell tickets.Ain't that the sad ****in' truth.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Cooper Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 It clearly says the problem was/is TD and not so much Mike Smith. I love DQ but he couldn't have done any better with Smittys talent and Smitty would do better with DQs talent this yr. Smitty was the scapegoat but I understand it's a business and it's always the coaches fault so changes are made to pacify the fan base to sell tickets.I dont know, I think every GM/HC relationship works relatively the same. The HC works closely with the GM to let him know who he likes and how he would use them and the GM does his best job to acquire as many as are available throughout the draft. The crappy players aquired by TD were guys the old staff advocated. Every bit of credit Quinn recieves for amassing the new found talent brought aboard this off season, is owed to the old staff for the inadequacy they imparted upon the past rosters. TD works well with Quinn, glad to have them both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Still Hiding....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 We definitely had a habit of cutting players a year (or two) too late more so than a year too early. To be fair though, Arenas, Scott, Johnson, and DD never saw the field with us either, except DD when all our WR's got injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I dont know, I think every GM/HC relationship works relatively the same. The HC works closely with the GM to let him know who he likes and how he would use them and the GM does his best job to acquire as many as are available throughout the draft. The crappy players aquired by TD were guys the old staff advocated. Every bit of credit Quinn recieves for amassing the new found talent brought aboard this off season, is owed to the old staff for the inadequacy they imparted upon the past rosters. TD works well with Quinn, glad to have them both.TD has no choice but to work well with DQ. DQ has last say on 53 plus Pioli is the new sheriff in town in charge of aquiring talent. Say what you want but TD has acquired basically nothing on defense or the OL in 8 freaking yrs? If TD was worth 3 squirts of rats pizz why was Pioli hired and put in charge of the draft etc.......? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 TD has no choice but to work well with DQ. DQ has last say on 53 plus Pioli is the new sheriff in town in charge of aquiring talent. Say what you want but TD has acquired basically nothing on defense or the OL in 8 freaking yrs? If TD was worth 3 squirts of rats pizz why was Pioli hired and put in charge of the draft etc.......?TD hired him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 TD hired himExactly AB demanded it and remember AB basically said the new coach must like and or be willing to work with TD or his azz was hitting the door Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Exactly AB demanded it and remember AB basically said the new coach must like and or be willing to work with TD or his azz was hitting the doorYou have no evidence of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The bottom line is.... Pioli was hired because TD did not get the job done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The bottom line is.... Pioli was hired because TD did not get the job done.Pioli was hired by TD b/c he saw the writing on the wall, and wanted to save his own job. Pioli's responsibilities in 2015 were no different than in 2014. They were just on paper now. Also, all of this being true, does not mean that there wasn't any coaching involvement that affected why he felt the need to make this move either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The evidence is Pioli is now in charge of aquiring players for a reason. It was also noted by the media TD job was not secure IF the new coach didn't want to work with him. That's why Pioli is now in TD old capacity. Just proves AB was not happy with TD......bottom line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I agree part of the problem was Smitty but one can't argue the fact we lacked defensive talent and quality depth and TD should be held accountable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rounz Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The evidence is Pioli is now in charge of aquiring players for a reason. It was also noted by the media TD job was not secure IF the new coach didn't want to work with him. That's why Pioli is now in TD old capacity. Just proves AB was not happy with TD......bottom lineIt's hard to take you seriously with that avatar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 To all this garbage I see about TD: he did what more people in powerful, influential positions should do. Admit you have weaknesses and address them accordingly. TD is fantastic with the cap and salary management. He also has a great trade track record. His only weakness has been the draft. Pioli has a proven draft track record. Them joining forces is a testament to TD. He was bright enough and not too stubborn to solve the problem quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 It's hard to take you seriously with that avatarLol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconcrest58 Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 To all this garbage I see about TD: he did what more people in powerful, influential positions should do. Admit you have weaknesses and address them accordingly. TD is fantastic with the cap and salary management. He also has a great trade track record. His only weakness has been the draft. Pioli has a proven draft track record. Them joining forces is a testament to TD. He was bright enough and not too stubborn to solve the problem quickly.He had no choice but to do what he did or he was out. I agree TD is a great cap/salary manager. But once again TD was the culprit for lack of defensive talent and overall depth and AB held him accountable. TD or Smitty had to go to pacify the fans. Most thought TD deserved to go with Smitty...just saying. I'm happy with DQ and Pioli and TD being ABs puppet. That's a great role for TD. He can ride his bike now and not worry about player acquisitions, just how much to pay the ones DQ and Pioli decide to keep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 The evidence is Pioli is now in charge of aquiring players for a reason. It was also noted by the media TD job was not secure IF the new coach didn't want to work with him. That's why Pioli is now in TD old capacity. Just proves AB was not happy with TD......bottom lineYour problem is that this is all speculation on the media's part. Again, TD brought in Pioli in 2014 to help with player eval. That was a year before the whole new regime thing. Meanwhile, Blank said all along that TD's job was safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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