Steven A Smith

[youngbloodz]

And Bud turned an awful team into a great team. Thats much harder.

Again, Spoelstra is not a good coach but he has a ring and a lot of wins because of an epically talented team.

Steph Curry has proven everywhere he has been that he will win no matter what.

i think Bud is a better coach. But for you to dismiss Kerr,someone that Pops personally endorses, is silly. The man can flat out coach. And Steph wasn't the NBA MVP until Kerr came. Draw whatever conclusions you want but that's a fact

[Mr.11]

Typical Hawks homer response. Kerr led his squad to the best record in the West. And NBA overall. Bud led his squad to be the best in the East which isn't saying much.

We shall see after the Hawks Cavs series how great Bud is.

We probably could have won 67 or more games if we hadn't locked up a playoff berth in February and the No. 1 seed midway through March. We didn't have to, so we coasted.

[WOR]

i think Bud is a better coach. But for you to dismiss Kerr,someone that Pops personally endorses, is silly. The man can flat out coach. And Steph wasn't the NBA MVP until Kerr came. Draw whatever conclusions you want but that's a fact

Im not dismissing Kerr. Im dismissing the fact that it takes a great coach to coach great talent(Spoelstra). Kerr is a good coach, but hes definitely not better than Bud. Thats not a homer comment. Clearly the NBA as a whole agrees. Theres only one coach of the year.

As far as Curry goes, he scored more and assisted more under Mark Jackson. Weve all seen the greatness of Curry going back 6 years. Im not giving any coach credit for that lol.

[WOR]

We probably could have won 67 or more games if we hadn't locked up a playoff berth in February and the No. 1 seed midway through March. We didn't have to, so we coasted.

We also "forfeited" 10+ games by sitting 2 or 3 starters throughout the season.

[Willy Mo]

Give Bud the GS roster and they win 70+

Give Kerr our roster and it's 30-45 max.

[youngbloodz]

Im not dismissing Kerr. Im dismissing the fact that it takes a great coach to coach great talent(Spoelstra). Kerr is a good coach, but hes definitely not better than Bud. Thats not a homer comment. Clearly the NBA as a whole agrees. Theres only one coach of the year.

As far as Curry goes, he scored more and assisted more under Mark Jackson. Weve all seen the greatness of Curry going back 6 years. Im not giving any coach credit for that lol.

coaching is so much more than X's and O's. What Pat and Erik did in Miami was nothing short of brilliant. They convinced a 20/10 player to come there in his prime and got him to accept a role player position. Told him to focus on rebounding and defense. Got Wade to take a step back on his on team and city to let Bron lead them. Curry was never the MVP under Mark Jackson. And Golden State never made it to the WCF and won 67 games.

[Macknsweetjones]

Homer? Yes Im pretty sure their record has nothing to do with the fact they have 2 top 20 players on their team and 2 top 10 defenders....

Bud has no superstars.

His best player is a PF who he taught how to shoot and handle.

His best defender is a player who shot 30% from 3 before Bud got his hands on him. He shot 40% this season and can actually dribble the ball further than 3 feet.

His backup PG was a foreign kid that was so incredibly terrible he couldnt even see the floor one year ago. Now hes made plays against every top player in the game.

He turned Korver from a part time player that couldnt defend into a 35 minute player who is a good defender and a focal point of the offense.

Hes also one of the best schematic coaches in the game.

Again, what has Kerr done? Taken arguably the most talented team in the NBA to a good record? Big whoop. Mark Jackson had 98 wins in GS in two years.....

All facts

[youngbloodz]

Give Bud the GS roster and they win 70+

Give Kerr our roster and it's 30-45 max.

you talking crazy now. Winning 70 games isn't easy.

[Macknsweetjones]

coaching is so much more than X's and O's. What Pat and Erik did in Miami was nothing short of brilliant. They convinced a 20/10 player to come there in his prime and got him to accept a role player position. Told him to focus on rebounding and defense. Got Wade to take a step back on his on team and city to let Bron lead them. Curry was never the MVP under Mark Jackson. And Golden State never made it to the WCF and won 67 games.

Yeah you're trying hard to make a case for Kerr and it's not there.

[youngbloodz]

Yeah you're trying hard to make a case for Kerr and it's not there.

ok

[WOR]

coaching is so much more than X's and O's. What Pat and Erik did in Miami was nothing short of brilliant. They convinced a 20/10 player to come there in his prime and got him to accept a role player position. Told him to focus on rebounding and defense. Got Wade to take a step back on his on team and city to let Bron lead them. Curry was never the MVP under Mark Jackson. And Golden State never made it to the WCF and won 67 games.

I'm sorry I just disagree. I dont think that had anything to do with Eric. Those 3 guys wanted a ring. They were friends and understood what they had to do to reach their goal. Mike Brown could handle LeBron and the Cavs but couldn't handle Kobe and Howard. I think it has a lot more to do with who the players themselves are personally. LeBron hasn't been on a bad team in what, 10 years? The right talent doesn't need good coaching. No offense but guys like LeBron and steph aren't crazy a holes like Kobe lol. They dont need the kind of team counselor coaches.

As for the second point, I don't believe Nash was a MVP before Dantoni came around, but Mike **** sure proved he wasn't much better than the players he had around him.

[youngbloodz]

I'm sorry I just disagree. I dont think that had anything to do with Eric. Those 3 guys wanted a ring. They were friends and understood what they had to do to reach their goal. Mike Brown could handle LeBron and the Cavs but couldn't handle Kobe and Howard. I think it has a lot more to do with who the players themselves are personally. LeBron hasn't been on a bad team in what, 10 years? The right talent doesn't need good coaching. No offense but guys like LeBron and steph aren't crazy a holes like Kobe lol.

As for the second point, I don't believe Nash was a MVP before Dantoni came around, but Mike **** sure proved he wasn't much better than the players he had around him.

they all said it took Pat Riley to convince them it would work. Even Bron mentioned it more than a few times. Ultimately it was their decision to team up. And Nash was real good before D'Antoni. But he was great in that system. I personally don't think he deserved those two MVP awards anyway

[youngbloodz]

You can't even compare Cleveland to LA or even LeBron to Kobe. It's easy to handle LeBron in Cleveland when he had zero rings. Kobe and the mystic of Hollywood is a different universe. Cleveland has no history of winning. Lakers has 16 NBA titles. Pressure was too much for Brown. He couldn't handle the expectations of coaching in LA. Kobe is an a hole. That is documented truth

[WOR]

they all said it took Pat Riley to convince them it would work. Even Bron mentioned it more than a few times. Ultimately it was their decision to team up. And Nash was real good before D'Antoni. But he was great in that system. I personally don't think he deserved those two MVP awards anyway

Everything you said there just proves my point lol.

Pat riley managed that team.

Steve Nash was good before and after dantoni while dantoni was **** without him.

These two things are exactly what I've been saying about GS haha.

[youngbloodz]

Everything you said there just proves my point lol.

Pat riley managed that team.

Steve Nash was good before and after dantoni while dantoni was **** without him.

These two things are exactly what I've been saying about GS haha.

if Steve Nash was Steph Curry,if D'Antoni was Kerr and if Phoenix was Golden State you would have a point. But they aren't. So you can't say it proves your point when those are all different entities in different situations

[youngbloodz]

And D'Antoni needs a true PG to run his system. If he had Chris Paul he would have won just like he did with Nash

[WOR]

You can't even compare Cleveland to LA or even LeBron to Kobe. It's easy to handle LeBron in Cleveland when he had zero rings. Kobe and the mystic of Hollywood is a different universe. Cleveland has no history of winning. Lakers has 16 NBA titles. Pressure was too much for Brown. He couldn't handle the expectations of coaching in LA. Kobe is an a hole. That is documented truth

That's true, but my point is Kobe has created almost all of the Lakers problems over the years by being his typical alpha self. Him constantly pissing teammates off is why he needs a coach who is a good player manager.

LeBron and curry just aren't those kind of guys. Theyre not the kind that breed locker room issues. Well except for the fact that LeBron hates Kevin lol. LeBron has had God awful coaches everywhere he has been and he has still won. I'm not saying Kerr is a bad coach, but you can say the same thing about curry too even going back to college.

Curry is the reason the Warriors are amazing. There's no guy you can say that about on the hawks.

[WOR]

if Steve Nash was Steph Curry,if D'Antoni was Kerr and if Phoenix was Golden State you would have a point. But they aren't. So you can't say it proves your point when those are all different entities in different situations

Yes, and Kerr is a better coach than dantoni. But your original point was the Kerr is a good coach BECAUSE he has good players. I've shown that that isn't always the case. You can be a bad coach and still succeed with great players.

Kerr walled out of a TV booth and onto the court and won 65 games. I'm sorry, but idc who you are that isn't going to be mostly because of the coach. Thats talent.

Bud's been a great coach for 20 years.

[youngbloodz]

That's true, but my point is Kobe has created almost all of the Lakers problems over the years by being his typical alpha self. Him constantly pissing teammates off is why he needs a coach who is a good player manager.

LeBron and curry just aren't those kind of guys. Theyre not the kind that breed locker room issues. Well except for the fact that LeBron hates Kevin lol. LeBron has had God awful coaches everywhere he has been and he has still won. I'm not saying Kerr is a bad coach, but you can say the same thing about curry too even going back to college.

Curry is the reason the Warriors are amazing. There's no guy you can say that about on the hawks.

no Kobe didn't create any problems. Dr Jack Buss dying and Jim Buss being in charged created these problems. Pau Gasol never had a problem with Kobe.The only teammates that had a problem with Kobe is Shaq,Smush Parker,Karl Malone,Dwight Howard. That's it. And you have to give Klay some love too. Splash Brothers are very exciting duo

[youngbloodz]

Yes, and Kerr is a better coach than dantoni. But your original point was the Kerr is a good coach BECAUSE he has good players. I've shown that that isn't always the case. You can be a bad coach and still succeed with great players.

Kerr walled out of a TV booth and onto the court and won 65 games. I'm sorry, but idc who you are that isn't going to be mostly because of the coach. Thats talent.

Bud's been a great coach for 20 years.

i have always thought Kerr was a good coach. That talent won 51 games last year and lost in the first round. Kerr did something to help them

[youngbloodz]

Been great debating with you WOR. Got called into work 8 hours early. We will agree to disagree man

[Dirtybird#11]

I'm with WOR for once. Kerr isn't in pissing distance of Bud

[ZoneOne01]

What Bud is doing is the epitome of doing more with less. Could yall imagine what Bud would accomplish with Golden State's roster? It's why it's imperative that we keep adding talent via the draft and free agency. The Hawks are the closest to a legit Finals win than they've ever been.

coaching is so much more than X's and O's. What Pat and Erik did in Miami was nothing short of brilliant. They convinced a 20/10 player to come there in his prime and got him to accept a role player position. Told him to focus on rebounding and defense. Got Wade to take a step back on his on team and city to let Bron lead them. Curry was never the MVP under Mark Jackson. And Golden State never made it to the WCF and won 67 games.

You might be right about 67 wins but I can't agree that the bolded would've never happened under Kerr.

You have to understand, GS is a young squad. Green and Thompson are 25, Curry is 27, Barnes is 22, and Bogut is 30. They were always going to continue to get better as a team and individually. None of their key players have peaked yet. Last season, Jackson started them on the path of playing good defense and they got better under Kerr. Thompson, Curry, and Green continue to get better every single year. ****, remember when Klay Thompson was nothing but a spot up three point shooter? Remember when Green was nothing but an energy guy off the bench? And really, who knows how good the Warriors if Jackson was still on the team. Bogut is finally healthy in the playoffs and Kerr has a better bench by far than what Jackson had to work with these last couple of years. We've seen them emerge in the play offs these last couple of years so it's not like they were a lottery team or a first round exit squad before Kerr.

We're not seeing a case where Kerr is taking a team with no superstars that had projections of a first round exit to a conference finals and sixty wins. Kerr walked into the perfect situation with the Warriors. You add his offensive system with all that young talent + a good bench and boom. We're going to be saying the same thing about Donovan if OKC is healthy next season.

Edited May 18, 2015 by ZoneOne01

[Sui_Generis]

And Bud turned an awful team into a great team. Thats much harder.

Again, Spoelstra is not a good coach but he has a ring and a lot of wins because of an epically talented team.

Steph Curry has proven everywhere he has been that he will win no matter what.

What exactly has Steph Curry won?

And the Hawks are not a great team. They are a good team. In the west they would led be a fifth seed or lower.

We shall see how the great and mighty Bud does against Cleveland with his great team. His brilliant scheme should stymie LeBron.

[Sui_Generis]

Bud also has 4 2015 All stars on his roster right now. Horford went to All star games before Bud also. So let's not act like Bud took scraps and built a juggernaut.

He took some talent and instilled some chemistry. He helped the Hawks become relevant in the East.