atljbo Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/football/falcons-projected-90-man-depth-chart/nmGr6/?ecmp=ajc_social_twitter_2014_falcons_sfpQuinn, a defensive line coach by trade, has a plan for second-year tackle Ra’Shede Hageman.“We’re going to feature (Hageman) as an inside three-technique (the person who played some of that position in Seattle was Tony McDaniel),” Quinn said. “Then we are going to have Tyson (Jackson) at our five-technique. He’ll play there a lot. Cliff Matthews is another one that has jumped out to me.”D-Led said Coach Quinn singled out Hageman, Holmes, Worrilow, and Cliff Matthews has some guys who has stood out so far (its early)Quinn last year discussing the seahawks D“Our end and nose and tackle are our three big guys,’’ Quinn said. “So we are half 4-3, half 3-4. They have to be big enough and stout enough to play the run, and then when we go into nickel is when we move a guy like Bennett to defensive tackle or Bruce (Irvin) to a defensive end spot.’’Reports has been we are kicking Clayborn to the inside on some rushing downs.... During ond of his Chuck Smith videos... Chuck was telling him about techniques when rushing from the inside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vel Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 But Tyson needs to be cut according to most here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share Posted May 16, 2015 But Tyson needs to be cut according to most here....He will be a 2 down guy ..... ill be honest .. it doesnt make sense to cut him.. he is not making enough and the cap savings is not enough to cut him ... Let him be a 2 down guy.Next year is a different story tho .... making 6.3 mil is different.... But this year his salary is on the lower side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjerry Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 What? but Holmes is getting cut, b/c he sucks and stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Z Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 At first I wanted Tyson gone, but I think that Quinn will have him in a place where he can show his worth! I say keep him for another year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby.Digital Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 But Tyson needs to be cut according to most here....I'll bet you we cut Tyson either next year or the year after. He makes too much for what be brings to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romfal Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 He will be a 2 down guy ..... ill be honest .. it doesnt make sense to cut him.. he is not making enough and the cap savings is not enough to cut him ... Let him be a 2 down guy.Next year is a different story tho .... Especially if Cliff really impresswe dont need the money, no sense in cutting him unless he just sucks. I'm really interested to see the front 7 rotations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 He will be a 2 down guy ..... ill be honest .. it doesnt make sense to cut him.. he is not making enough and the cap savings is not enough to cut him ... Let him be a 2 down guy.Next year is a different story tho .... making 6.3 mil is different.... But this year his salary is on the lower side.This ^He better not sniff the field on obvious passing downs. So in theory he is a 2 down guy, but against pass heavy teams he should be off the field. And people are running the nickel a lot now anyways so i don't see him playing a whole lot of snaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share Posted May 16, 2015 we dont need the money, no sense in cutting him unless he just sucks. I'm really interested to see the front 7 rotations. Me to... Coach Quinn clearly have his setup that will face the run and his pass rush package...Thats the one problem ive had with our last coaching staff ... I felt like we would over use a guy like Babs.. I would see him wear down.... Get a good rotation and use your guys towards there strengths Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 What? but Holmes is getting cut, b/c he sucks and stuff. Saying a guy dropped 15 pounds is not exactly a praise. That's just saying he is not as much of a slob as he was last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 News Flash, Tyson Jackson is actually effective when he is not coached by Mike Nolan and Mike Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share Posted May 16, 2015 This ^He better not sniff the field on obvious passing downs. So in theory he is a 2 down guy, but against pass heavy teams he should be off the field. And people are running the nickel a lot now anyways so i don't see him playing a whole lot of snaps. It similar to how they used Red Bryant ... Thats the reason why the Jags cut him also.... For a reasonable price a 2 down guy is good but that price cant get to high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lornoth Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 D-Led said Coach Quinn singled out Hageman, Holmes, Worrilow, and Cliff Matthews has some guys who has stood out so far (its early)Four of the board's favourite punching bags. It'll be interesting to see what people start saying about them this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandy Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 But Tyson needs to be cut according to most here....$5m per for a two-down adequate against the run/suks against the pass guy makes sense to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted May 16, 2015 Author Share Posted May 16, 2015 $5m per for a two-down adequate against the run/suks against the pass guy makes sense to you?He is making 3.8 mil this year...... cutting him this year would save about 2 mil but next year his hit will be 4.8 mil.It just wouldnt do alot of good.... ... Next year his cap hit is 6.3 mil ... if we cut him as a june 1st cut next year we would save 4.7 mil in cap space.Let the man play his part this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 What? but Holmes is getting cut, b/c he sucks and stuff. You know these boards bro. Once the hate sets in you become a pariah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 But Tyson needs to be cut according to most here....And using him at 5 tech can you believe that? Actually using a guy at WHAT HE DOES BEST!!! Go figure!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFatboi Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 This ^He better not sniff the field on obvious passing downs. So in theory he is a 2 down guy, but against pass heavy teams he should be off the field. And people are running the nickel a lot now anyways so i don't see him playing a whole lot of snaps. It really woukdnt matter if he's in or not on passing downs because the rush will be Coming from the SLB on the strong side usually. All he has to do is hold point like he did for my cousin in KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 It really woukdnt matter if he's in or not on passing downs because the rush will be Coming from the SLB on the strong side usually. All he has to do is hold point like he did for my cousin in KC. I'm curious, who's the cousin? I've clearly missed this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clark Kent™ Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 It really woukdnt matter if he's in or not on passing downs because the rush will be Coming from the SLB on the strong side usually. All he has to do is hold point like he did for my cousin in KC.It definitely would matter when there are other guys who provide more of a pass rush than him. Its why Seattle took most of their bigs out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanadonis Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 It's not Tyson Jackson's fault Mike Smith asked him to be a human water bed at 360 pounds at DE. When I heard he was bigger than Soliai, I was starting to wonder if there was a problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlfanstckndenver Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I think Jackson is just fine on the roster. Like jbo basically said, why cut him at this point anyway? May as well use the guy as a stop gap while you can. Not only that but I think he's a little underrated around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raysnill1 Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 I'm curious, who's the cousin? I've clearly missed this.hint, he had 22 sacks last season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomFan Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Quinn, a defensive line coach by trade, has a plan for second-year tackle Ra’Shede Hageman.“We’re going to feature (Hageman) as an inside three-technique (the person who played some of that position in Seattle was Tony McDaniel),” Quinn said. “Then we are going to have Tyson (Jackson) at our five-technique. He’ll play there a lot. Cliff Matthews is another one that has jumped out to me.” This is bad news for Babineaux, honestly. With Babs, Hageman, and Jarrett, that's 3 players that are predominantly 3-tech's. And I'm kind of doubtful that we keep three 3-tech's on the roster. Jarrett can log some backup snaps as an undersized 1-tech to Soliai, and if that's the case then that would help in keeping all 3 of those guys on the roster. But it might come down to a 3-way competition for 2 roster spots in camp with those 3 guys. We'll want to have at least 3 players with the ability to rotate into the inside pass rushing DT roles on 3rd and long's - and 4 would be better to help in case of injuries. Right now those potential players are Hageman, Babs, Jarrett, Clayborn, and I guess from what Quinn said perhaps even Matthews. You would think Hageman and Clayborn will make the roster. That might leave Babs and Jarrett fighting for one of those spots. And the loser of that battle might be in a fight with Matthews for one final roster spot. Since Matthews can backup at 5-tech and excells on special teams, that might give him a leg up on a spot over a 3rd 3-tech - if we even keep that many big bodied D Linemen. Quinn saying that about Tyson should hopefully put an end to this nonsense about Jackson getting cut this year and/or not being a scheme fit. "Going to have Tyson at our five-technique. He'll play there a lot." Pretty much definitively ends any debate. That makes our projected starting D Line from strongside to weakside as follows: SLB - Reed, 5-tech DE - Jackson, 1-tech NT - Soliai, 3-tech DT - winner of Hageman/Babs/Jarrett battle, LEO - Beasley. ( I included the SLB because he's almost always walked up on the line of scrimmage as a stand-up OLB.)D-Led said Coach Quinn singled out Hageman, Holmes, Worrilow, and Cliff Matthews as some guys who has stood out so far (its early) Kind of surprised about Matthews. But I did comment about him on my spreadsheet that every year he looks like a longshot for the roster, yet every year he keeps hanging around. Must be for a reason I guess. Quinn last year discussing the seahawks D“Our end and nose and tackle are our three big guys,’’ Quinn said. “So we are half 4-3, half 3-4. They have to be big enough and stout enough to play the run, and then when we go into nickel is when we move a guy like Bennett to defensive tackle or Bruce (Irvin) to a defensive end spot.’’Reports has been we are kicking Clayborn to the inside on some rushing downs.... During ond of his Chuck Smith videos... Chuck was telling him about techniques when rushing from the inside (I thought this was already fairly common knowledge? To me I envision at least half of his snaps coming as an inside DT in nickel situations - perhaps much more than half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jigglypuff Posted May 16, 2015 Share Posted May 16, 2015 Does this mean Hageman is on weakside or strongside? not sure of 5 tech in quinns defense... I am assuming its strongside but I dont get why put hageman there and jackson on weak side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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