Were We Wrong About Dq? (Irvin-Related)

[BritFalcon]

Prior to the hiring of Dan Quinn, it seemed that many of his Pro-Rex Ryan detractors believed that he wasn't this defensive guru that some had made him out to be. They argued that the success of the vaunted Seahawks defense was in fact, largely down to Pete Carroll's defensive philosophy and man-management rather than Quinn's individual skills as a coordinator. I'm pretty sure that one of our own TATF'ers even sourced the opinion of Seahawks fans on their message board and they more or less concurred with this theory.

However, in light of the recent news about Bruce Irvin, I'm not sure if this portrayal of DQ is entirely accurate. If, as Robert Klemko and Albert Breer suggest, lots of Seahawks players are openly and privately lobbying for a move to the ATL, then it would seem that DQ played more of a significant role in the success of the Seahawks than the pro-Rex contingent would have had us believe.

Why else would guys like Irvin want to trade playing for a super-bowl winning franchise littered with HOF candidates for Atlanta if this wasn't the case? If Carroll really was the architect behind Seattle's defensive success, then why do "so many players" want to leave to be with DQ? Was DQ really the mastermind or is this merely just a case of Seahawks players using the Falcons to lobby for larger contracts?

Link: https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/598930176274083840

[Tribal Chief]

Privately want to follow? Lol good one

[Clark Kent™]

Well it is notable that Irvin is an Atlanta native. And he made that tweet right after the Hawks won that playoff game at the last minute.

[Tribal Chief]

So how many is so many? Bennett and Irvin are the only 2 rumored to want to come to my knowledge. Maxwell and the linebacker were just media rumors.

[Karst41]

[Summerhill]

Prior to the hiring of Dan Quinn, it seemed that many of his Pro-Rex Ryan detractors believed that he wasn't this defensive guru that some had made him out to be. They argued that the success of the vaunted Seahawks defense was in fact, largely down to Pete Carroll's defensive philosophy and man-management rather than Quinn's individual skills as a coordinator. I'm pretty sure that one of our own TATF'ers even sourced the opinion of Seahawks fans on their message board and they more or less concurred with this theory.

However, in light of the recent news about Bruce Irvin, I'm not sure if this portrayal of DQ is entirely accurate. If, as Robert Klemko and Albert Breer suggest, lots of Seahawks players are openly and privately lobbying for a move to the ATL, then it would seem that DQ played more of a significant role in the success of the Seahawks than the pro-Rex contingent would have had us believe.

Why else would guys like Irvin want to trade playing for a super-bowl winning franchise littered with HOF candidates for Atlanta if this wasn't the case? If Carroll really was the architect behind Seattle's defensive success, then why do "so many players" want to leave to be with DQ? Was DQ really the mastermind or is this merely just a case of Seahawks players using the Falcons to lobby for larger contracts?

Link: https://twitter.com/RobertKlemko/status/598930176274083840

They want to get paid.

[paulitik]

I was never a Rex fan, but I will admit that i wasn't sold on the idea of Dan Quinn. I really wanted Todd Bowles. I had lazily assumed that Pete Carroll and Gus Bradley were the architects and reason of the Seattle's stellar defense, but the more I've read about Dan, and what his players have said about him, and seeing his vision, it didn't take long for me to become a convert.

[capologist]

And just who is this "we" you refer to?

[BritFalcon]

So how many is so many? Bennett and Irvin are the only 2 rumored to want to come to my knowledge. Maxwell and the linebacker were just media rumors.

Indeed. I wasn't really aware of any mass clamouring by Seahawks players either. But Klemko and Breer have more sources than I do, so maybe they are right? If they are, it would seem to contradict what many pro-Rex guys were thinking earlier in the offseason about the magnitude of DQ's influence on the Seahawks.

[DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry]

It is sort of curious that both Michael Bennett and Bruce Irvin were linked to Atlanta in trade talks. Both guys appear to have ongoing contract "issues."

There's something going on in Seattle, IMO.

[atljbo]

albert breer

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/598930526750285825

[BritFalcon]

It's also worth noting that a few Seahawks players followed Bradley to Jacksonville too. Maybe these Seattle coordinators have more of an influence than some would have us believe, which is why they are being tapped for Head Coaching gigs

[AndySG]

It's too early to really say anything, but the off-field stories have all been great thus far and the draft was a very welcome change.

[dozer]

Gotta love that the Hawks fans are sick of hearing about theses guys wanting to leave South Alaska & follow Quinn to play here, even if it is for the sake of their contract negotiations.

[BritFalcon]

I was never a Rex fan, but I will admit that i wasn't sold on the idea of Dan Quinn. I really wanted Todd Bowles. I had lazily assumed that Pete Carroll and Gus Bradley were the architects and reason of the Seattle's stellar defense, but the more I've read about Dan, and what his players have said about him, and seeing his vision, it didn't take long for me to become a convert.

I can see why you would want Bowles. He was the only candidate other than Rex (media distraction) and McDaniels (ugh) that had any prior head coaching experience. DQ, Austin and Gase were the newcomers

[ElbowDrop]

It is sort of curious that both Michael Bennett and Bruce Irvin were linked to Atlanta in trade talks. Both guys appear to have ongoing contract "issues."

There's something going on in Seattle, IMO.

alot of people predicted problems on the horizon because they had so many cheap players turning into stars with upcoming contract negotiations.

[insight]

Irving has Atlanta ties and feels snubbed because Seattle did not pick up his option.

Players want to get paid and even if they prefer a particular situation they rarely are willing to take less money.

If players want to come at a discount or modest contract over bigger money that really says something.

The rest is just part of the negotiation process.

Edited May 15, 2015 by insight

[hjerry]

To be fair, we've really only heard this in relation to front 7 players, as the guys in the secondary were, before he was promoted, heaping praise onto Kris Richard.

[Romfal]

I think its mostly coincidence for Bruce Irvin. He would probably want to come here regardless of who the coach was.

[Sun Tzu 7]

It's also worth noting that a few Seahawks players followed Bradley to Jacksonville too. Maybe these Seattle coordinators have more of an influence than some would have us believe, which is why they are being tapped for Head Coaching gigs

Yes, it's called getting paid.

Everyone knows Seattle had a bunch of young players that were going to break the bank like Sherman and Thomas.

They still have to pay Wilson and the MLB.

When the Seahawks didn't pick up Irvings option it just confirmed that.

If they wanted to get paid they needed to do it somewhere else.

And the guys that 'left' Seattle were older guys that were going to get paid MUCH more by a desperate team like the Jags.

Irving is from Atlanta and been training with Chuck Smith there and the Falcons desperation for pass rushers is well known. That being said if the Seahawks and Falcons were offering the exact same amount he'd probably stay in Seattle.

[Summerhill]

There's something going on in Seattle, IMO.

Yes. The NFL has a salary cap and the Seahawks have decided it is more important to make other players happy before Bruce Irvin and Michael Bennett.

[Mid-Nite-Toker]

In all fairness, DQ hasn't had a chance to prove he is right or wrong about anything.

[Summerhill]

It's also worth noting that a few Seahawks players followed Bradley to Jacksonville too. Maybe these Seattle coordinators have more of an influence than some would have us believe, which is why they are being tapped for Head Coaching gigs

Jacksonville gave Red Bryant a 4-year $19 million contract and released him a year later. It is best to evaluate all the players available from all the different teams and not just the ones you previously coached.

Edited May 15, 2015 by Summerhill

[Falkonator]

Littered with HOF talent??? Seattle?? Lol

That's a bold comment.

Most of these players want to get paid(Irvin,Bennett) and know it won't be in Seattle, who still has to sign Wilson, and are 10millions apart on contract talks. Wilson wants to be paid like he is the best, players are seeing that, and with ties already in other players(lynch,Sherman,ET3,) and upcoming ones (Bam bam,Wagner) they are starting to seem disgruntled so they can be shipped out, Irvin having ties to ATL is prob the only reason he would say us(makes it harder for a team to trade for him,if they believe he only wants to play in the A)

I think fans are trying to read to much into him wanting to come here and only here.

[BritFalcon]

Yes, it's called getting paid.

Everyone knows Seattle had a bunch of young players that were going to break the bank like Sherman and Thomas.

They still have to pay Wilson and the MLB.

When the Seahawks didn't pick up Irvings option it just confirmed that.

If they wanted to get paid they needed to do it somewhere else.

And the guys that 'left' Seattle were older guys that were going to get paid MUCH more by a desperate team like the Jags.

Irving is from Atlanta and been training with Chuck Smith there and the Falcons desperation for pass rushers is well known. That being said if the Seahawks and Falcons were offering the exact same amount he'd probably stay in Seattle.

Then why are "so many players" (Klemko's words, not mine) focusing solely on Atlanta? Surely if it was just a matter of getting paid, they would be looking at other options. In the case of Irvin, he has (allegedly) stated that he wants to play for the Falcons. As far as I can tell, he hasn't mentioned the prospect of getting paid anywhere else. This is why I think DQ has some special magic that is drawing his ex-players to Atlanta, rather than the cynical view, which is that these players are money-hungry mercenaries looking for a big payday.