GoodnightATL Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) Now I'm not saying that he's better then Sherman, Maxwell etc but in terms of raw attributes to work with is he the best?Quinn love's fast CB with length we all know this. However the one 'knock' on these guys is agility and hip stiffness. Now Jalen completed the 3 cone in 6.77 which is exceptional especially given the fact he's 6"2 200lbs.Again I'm not saying he's better or ever will be but in terms of a raw skill set to mold, is he the best? Edited May 11, 2015 by GoodnightATL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 They haven't been able to work with him yet, outside of talking to him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodnightATL Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 They haven't been able to work with him yet, outside of talking to himWill have to work with... I apologize for being so obtuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toadfishtom Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Hall of Fame Done deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Will have to work with... I apologize for being so obtuse.let's at least wait until training camp begins to start making these guesses. A few times getting beat by Julio will probably have you singing a different tune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodnightATL Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 let's at least wait until training camp begins to start making these guesses. A few times getting beat by Julio will probably have you singing a different tuneBut he's already posted his combine numbers and gone through the scouting process.. Not really a 'guess' when talking about raw potential. More of an inference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 You would have to compare their combine numbers to prob get some type of answer.He prob is the fastest he has had and most physically gifted I would say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 But he's already posted his combine numbers and gone through the scouting process.. Not really a 'guess' when talking about raw potential. More of an inference.lol if that's what ya wanna go by, suit yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcanuck Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodnightATL Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 lol if that's what ya wanna go by, suit yourself.But surely that's what these message boards are for? Projecting, having opinions right or wrong. Nobody knows obviously but from the information we do have I thought it was a valid question. Hindsight is overrated IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Desmond Trufant 6'0" 190 lbs... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Based on physical attributes(speed,agi,accel,jumping etc) Tru,Collins and Alford prob are the best he has had to work with. Based on talent tho,time wi tell,Trufant is prob the 2nd best corner he will have worked with based on overall talent,time will tell on Collins and possibly King as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodnightATL Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Desmond Trufant 6'0" 190 lbs...He's already established himself. That's a no brainer. I was more talking about when each of those rookies turned up at the first training camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkOffFalcohol Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest King Jigsaw Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 better then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoYouSeeWhatHappensLarry Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Sherman.TrufantEveryone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Womp womp womp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Richard Sherman6'3 196lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.56 SECBENCH PRESS: 16 REPSVERTICAL JUMP: 38.0 INCHBROAD JUMP: 125.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL: 6.82 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.33 SEC60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.44 SECByron Maxwell 6' 202lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.46 SECBENCH PRESS: 24 REPSVERTICAL JUMP: 33.0 INCHBROAD JUMP: 124.0 INCHJalen Collins 6'1 203lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.48 SECVERTICAL JUMP: 36.0 INCHBROAD JUMP: 124.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL: 6.77 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.27 SEC60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.32 SECBased on Measurables, Collins compares fairly well to Sherman, with improved numbers in everything excluding vert. Talent will be the big question. While Sherman was basically written of as nothing more than a back up with great press skills,poor technique and ball skills. Collins has been considered the best prospect,with the most potential by some scouts(namely Mike mayock),his big knock has been lack of starts(althoufht he played in well over 26games) Desmond Trufant 6' 190lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.38 SECBENCH PRESS: 16 REPSVERTICAL JUMP: 37.5 INCHBROAD JUMP: 125.0 INCH20 YARD SHUTTLE: 3.85 SECMeasurables alone trufant is more gifted than Sherman and we know what Tru brings to the field. With Quinn and Morris, could we see trufant become better than Sherman? Akeem King 6'3 212 Pro Day Results40-yard dash: 4.41 seconds Vertical jump: 37 1/2 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 2 inches Short shuttle: 4.38 seconds 3-cone: 7.08 seconds Bench: 20 reps of 225 poundsSome insane numbers for his size,very raw prospect,don't know much about him,development will be interesting.Robert Alford 5'10 188lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.39 SECBENCH PRESS: 17 REPSVERTICAL JUMP: 40.0 INCHBROAD JUMP: 132.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL: 6.89 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.23 SEC.measurables stand out once again. Talent is there just needs more work. Basically this is all you can go off of,right now. Physical attributes and measurable this group is more gifted than the top 2 Corners Quinn has worked with while in Seattle Maxwell and Sherman are 2 Stud corners who where developed properly into a proper scheme that fit their strengths, the talent was their. We have corners with the potential to be better than Sherman(Trufant,Collins) and Maxwell(Alford,king) but we will see in time. Idk if this is what you where looking for but this may be the best way to get the answer you may be seeking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Measurables are only part of the equation. How much of the molding process comes from attitude, drive and determination?Only Quinn could really give an opinion on this, and couldn't really even do that before working with him.Wait 3 years and then see where Collins is compared to the other CBs Quinn developed. That'll give you the answer you seek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRUNKuno Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Akeem King has been my guy since before the draft when I saw we worked him out. Naturally I said who is this after the workout, then I looked up some stuff on him and was highly impressed with his fluid range of motion considering his size. He's going to surprise some people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtlantaFanatic Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 let's at least wait until training camp begins to start making these guesses. A few times getting beat by Julio will probably have you singing a different tuneAll of our corners have an advantage because they get to go against White and Jones in practice. Obviously that won't make up for a lack of talent but it will be helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskooler Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 He's already established himself. That's a no brainer. I was more talking about when each of those rookies turned up at the first training campI was going to try to answer the question, but I've decided to wait until you stop moving the goalposts around like a carousel. Let me know when you're done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falkonator Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Measurables are only part of the equation. How much of the molding process comes from attitude, drive and determination?Only Quinn could really give an opinion on this, and couldn't really even do that before working with him.Wait 3 years and then see where Collins is compared to the other CBs Quinn developed. That'll give you the answer you seek.this is very true, measurables is the only thing we can go off of right now, if we wanna include game tape and where they where drafted than that makes the question easier to answer based On where tru,Alf,and Collins where drafted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungHeezy Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Richard Sherman6'3 196lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.56 SECBENCH PRESS: 16 REPSVERTICAL JUMP: 38.0 INCHBROAD JUMP: 125.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL: 6.82 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.33 SEC60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.44 SECByron Maxwell 6' 202lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.46 SECBENCH PRESS: 24 REPSVERTICAL JUMP: 33.0 INCHBROAD JUMP: 124.0 INCHJalen Collins 6'1 203lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.48 SECVERTICAL JUMP: 36.0 INCHBROAD JUMP: 124.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL: 6.77 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.27 SEC60 YARD SHUTTLE: 11.32 SECBased on Measurables, Collins compares fairly well to Sherman, with improved numbers in everything excluding vert. Talent will be the big question. While Sherman was basically written of as nothing more than a back up with great press skills,poor technique and ball skills. Collins has been considered the best prospect,with the most potential by some scouts(namely Mike mayock),his big knock has been lack of starts(althoufht he played in well over 26games) Desmond Trufant 6' 190lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.38 SECBENCH PRESS: 16 REPSVERTICAL JUMP: 37.5 INCHBROAD JUMP: 125.0 INCH20 YARD SHUTTLE: 3.85 SECMeasurables alone trufant is more gifted than Sherman and we know what Tru brings to the field. With Quinn and Morris, could we see trufant become better than Sherman? Akeem King 6'3 212 Pro Day Results40-yard dash: 4.41 seconds Vertical jump: 37 1/2 inches Broad jump: 10 feet, 2 inches Short shuttle: 4.38 seconds 3-cone: 7.08 seconds Bench: 20 reps of 225 poundsSome insane numbers for his size,very raw prospect,don't know much about him,development will be interesting.Robert Alford 5'10 188lbs 40 YARD DASH: 4.39 SECBENCH PRESS: 17 REPSVERTICAL JUMP: 40.0 INCHBROAD JUMP: 132.0 INCH3 CONE DRILL: 6.89 SEC20 YARD SHUTTLE: 4.23 SEC.measurables stand out once again. Talent is there just needs more work. Basically this is all you can go off of,right now. Physical attributes and measurable this group is more gifted than the top 2 Corners Quinn has worked with while in Seattle Maxwell and Sherman are 2 Stud corners who where developed properly into a proper scheme that fit their strengths, the talent was their. We have corners with the potential to be better than Sherman(Trufant,Collins) and Maxwell(Alford,king) but we will see in time. Idk if this is what you where looking for but this may be the best way to get the answer you may be seeking.Didn't realize Tru had that fast of a 20 yard shuffle. That's exceptional quickness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Chief Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 All of our corners have an advantage because they get to go against White and Jones in practice. Obviously that won't make up for a lack of talent but it will be helpful.sure helped Alford..... Oops, did I type that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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