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On NFL.com, they say:

"Coleman is an electric one-cut back with the running style that perfectly matches the zone-based scheme Atlanta will use under new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan."

I was listening to Matt Waldman on the Football Guys Podcast. He and the other presenters were all saying Coleman is a terrible fit for the ZBS, and they were suggesting he would be a bust. This was despite the fact they though he was an amazing talent - they just thought he was not matched to our offense.

For anyone who has watched him in College, is Coleman suited for our scheme?

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He ran out of the pistol in college.. **** takes great patience and discipline to run out of, he needs to work on the patience aspect. But they ran a lot of zone plays at Indiana.. he has stated many times that they ran inside and outside zone plays a lot and a lot of stretch plays.. he will adjust fine.. every one just wants something to ***** about

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The Falcoholic ran with that "poor fit for the ZBS" line. I didn't understand it when they did it and I don't understand it now. I haven't watched a ton of film on the kid (because I don't watch "film," and most of you don't either, especially the ones who say "watch the film"). But the highlight clips (what most folks here call "film") I've seen show someone running a one cut and go system. Most of the plays I saw had Coleman either running inside, picking his hole and then heading straight downhill, or running outside, picking his hole and running straight downhill. There weren't a lot of plays where he was hitting a pre-designated hole and expected to either power through defenders or make guys miss. Pretty much, he was reading the defense, and when the hole opened, he shot through it like a cannonball.

Now, I also haven't done a lot of study on the outside zone. Even when we used to run it, my interest was more in the WCO passing game. But my understanding is that Coleman is pretty much perfect for this system. Add to that the fact that I seriously doubt Dimitroff and Pioli went out and got this kid with zero input from Shanahan, and I'm going to suggest that those claiming poor scheme fit are completely full of ____.

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On NFL.com, they say:

"Coleman is an electric one-cut back with the running style that perfectly matches the zone-based scheme Atlanta will use under new offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan."

I was listening to Matt Waldman on the Football Guys Podcast. He and the other presenters were all saying Coleman is a terrible fit for the ZBS, and they were suggesting he would be a bust. This was despite the fact they though he was an amazing talent - they just thought he was not matched to our offense.

For anyone who has watched him in College, is Coleman suited for our scheme?

WOW! I will never listen to those guys. Yeah he may actually be the best fit for this scheme of all the RBs taken in this draft. Running in a zone scheme requires just a couple of RB skills. RBs need to have good vision and the ability to cut and burst anything after that are bonuses. Vision being able to see where the lane will open based on where his blockers should be and how the defense responds. Coleman had a great year with a lot of success running zone plays. Actually my only concern is how our Oline will do in it because it is based on timing and guys being where they should be when they should be there and making the right read on what blocks to make.

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Also, there's this….which I found based on Mono's comment about "57 Queen" being his favorite play, simply by googling "Zone Blocking '57 Queen'"…….

http://www.crimsonquarry.com/2015/5/4/8539225/nfl-draft-2015-tevin-coleman-atlanta-falcons

My favorite line from the article:

As for his "reckless abandon without patience" running style, I'd also have to disagree. One of my complaints about the IU offense in general is that it can be impatient, but if being impatient also means scoring points in flashes, when it gets you 6 points on the board then it's hard to complain. Coleman did that 15 times last year, which is four more rushing TDs than the entire Atlanta Falcons team had in 2014. Also, what exactly does the first part of that sentence mean? Do 4 fumbles in 270 plays count as "reckless abandon?" Alternatively, if "reckless abandon" means still tearing through other B1G defenses who knew he was the only real weapon on IU's offense, then I don't think that's a bad thing.

Finally…

How dare you imply that as an overweight college kid with no hobbies that I don't watch film! Don't put that on me Ricky Bobby!

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Like others said, this man is an idiot if he thinks Coleman isn't a fit in a ZBS:

What is your favorite running play?
"Probably 57 Queen."

Tell me a little about it.
"It's an outside zone play."

Do you like the outside zone plays because you have the chance to use your vision and then burst through the hole?
"Yes, definitely...definitely."

That came from his mouth on February 20, 2015. So it's not like he's saying it to make himself sound good for the Falcons' offense. Just watching the tape, yes JDaveG some of us really do, it's obvious how much zone running they do. He's patient, but could be a better more patient. But he does not blink when he sees that hole.

We, foolishly, tried to run zone with SJax and power with Quizz last year. It was so terrible to watch every time they did and wondered why it didn't work.

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“So, I think any type of back can succeed in this system. But the type of guys you want are guys who can put their foot in the ground, get downhill. You do want guys who can create arm tackles and then run through them. I’m not looking for a guy that you have to give 30 carries to get 100 yards. You want guys who get downhill, who get over 4.0 yards a carry and they move the chains for you.”

Kyle Shanahan.

STRENGTHS Tevin Coleman

Decisive north-south runner. Outstanding three-step burst into second level. Fearless between the tackles. Has dangerous jump-cut to instantly change gaps and ruin the plans of linebackers. Stays square to the line and is always in ready position to hit turbo. Has shown one-cut ability and natural change-of-direction talent without gearing down. Violent run finisher. Will duck shoulder and throw heavy forearm into tackler to prove a point. Not a content runner -- doesn't like to give in.

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Waldman is a good listen. His skill player evaluations are primarily geared towards year 1 projections, since his draft guide is geared towards dynasty fantasy leagues. He says Coleman is a better version of McFadden coming out. Said he'll have to work on varying his stride more to allow more time for his blockers to set up in a ZBS.

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It's funny that our last two OCs didn't use the ZBS. Their offenses would have been much more successful under it. They simply relied on the talent of our players. This takes me back to the D.V.D days. We could really run the ball then.

Mularky did utilize the zbs. Turner was most productive in it. When they made the switch to more power blocking turner got off to a slow start. From 2008-2010.
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Waldman is one the more knowledgeable sports writers. His issue with Coleman,is his comparison to McFadden who sucked in a ZBS.

ZBS requires the RB to wait to see the hole then explode through it, than just hitting the hole the play was designed to go...It takes a little patience and vision for a RB to make the ZBS work for him, instead of visa versa.(and all that happens in milliseconds)

If Coleman has those two traits he will be special in a ZBS type scheme. There is know doubt he's a special talent. Can Shanny slow his initial first cut down field enough for him to realize his potential is the question.

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Ovie!

And I keep hearing guys hoping we get a receiving FB. We need a battering ram like Ovie was for shanny's system. Ovie could catch but it was always a surprise to the defense when he did. We don't need to focus on a receiving FB. Personally I don't care if he ever catches a pass but if he can open holes for our backs for big gains I welcome him with open arms.
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And I keep hearing guys hoping we get a receiving FB. We need a battering ram like Ovie was for shanny's system. Ovie could catch but it was always a surprise to the defense when he did. We don't need to focus on a receiving FB. Personally I don't care if he ever catches a pass but if he can open holes for our backs for big gains I welcome him with open arms.

Totally agree, yes Ovie could catch, but what he was first and foremost the best at (best in league even) was being a battering ram.

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